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Jose writes:

... and how do you decide the validity of that argument? After all, it
can be applied to GA too. "Any amount of taxpayer dollars in support of
pleasure flying is absurd."

That time will probably come. Unfortunately, the same logic does not seem to
be applied to support of foreign languages for people too stupid to learn
English.

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Jay Honeck writes:

Is this some new variation on the "Hitler Rule"?

I believe the formal designation is Godwin's Law, named after Mike Godwin of
_Wired_ Magazine, who developed the law in 1990.

Once you start accusing someone of belonging to the KKK, the
opportunity for intelligent discussion is over.

Godwin's Law holds that the probability of a comparison of someone or
something to Nazis or Hitler approaches one as a discussion continues over
time.

It happens because people, in their zeal to present their debate opponents as
unconditionally evil, grab for the first concept of "total evil" that comes to
mind, and that is often the Nazis or Hitler, about whom few people have
anything less than bad to say. In recent years, child molesters and
pedophiles have sometimes been mentioned for the same purpose.

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mad8 writes:

I believe India has 300some languages...

And one language for business and success. The other languages are
disappearing rapidly, with a handful of exceptions.

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On Feb 14, 4:53 am, "Tony" wrote:
You left the Triangle for Madison -- how can we trust your judgement
in other things? You probably had to buy a snow blower.


OUCH, but touche!
Yes I did, I'm originally from WI. Loved the weather down there in NC
but it wasn't "home". Bought my first airplane, an Ercoupe, and kept
it at Horace Williams (IGX) in Chapel Hill. Had a K-6 with the North
Carolina Soaring Association.
But got offered a job at my alma mater that involved some flying and
couldn't pass it up.

No, I don't own a snow blower!

Hamish Reid wrote:

So, once again, what makes Spanish a "foreign language" in the US?

Well, for one thing the Declaration of Indepence was written in English
and all the other great documents that define our politics and unique
American perspective on freedom are in English.

So basically, in order to really understand what it is to be an
"American" and the unique perspective on freedoms the founding fathers
had in mind back then you sort of have to speak an be able to read and
understand English.

But in this Politicially Correct environment we live in today who
cares.... they don't really teach history anymore in public school... we
might 'offend' someone.

On Feb 14, 10:57 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
mad8 writes:
the citizenship test doesn't require being able to speak english. you
can take it in your own language if you pay/provide a translator.

In the United States, perhaps. In many countries, a test of competency in the
national language is _part_ of the citizenship test. If you don't speak the
language, you don't get citizenship, period.

in this thread we were discussing the US last time I checked (AFAICS
the thread is about weather in spanish and the opinions of posters
about it)...


(all this i know from being surrounded by Russians who just recently
came here and don't speak enough english to be useful)

They don't speak enough English to be useful, but they want to be citizens?
Hmm. If they are too lazy or stupid to learn English, how do they plan to
support themselves? Or do they expect the state to do that?

The ability to learn a language isn't indicative of a person's
industriousness or intelligence. My father for example has a phd in
laser optics (which IS indicative of at least hard work) and is very
well employed here. It took him about 10 years to become (more or
less) fluent in english, and he still has quite a bit of an accent
(everyone understands him, but he sounds distinctly foreign). He took
the test in English, but if it had been a few years earlier he
wouldn't have been able to. He wasn't out to make russian an official
language of the US, he was just trying to get by with the abilities he
had. You wouldn't deny a deaf person assistance taking the citizenship
test, so why would you deny a non-native-speaker?
Learning english isn't an instant process (even for babies). pretty
much all who are able to, eventually learn english. Those who don't,
usually don't get much further than the construction business.
also, none of them are elligible for any government assistance until
they become citizens. Therefore, they have to make something of
themselves in the 5-10 years it takes to naturalize in the US.

on that note, go download a INS simulator and play it. It's much
easier than actually going through the immigration process.

Jay Honeck wrote:

Once you start accusing someone of belonging to the KKK, the
opportunity for intelligent discussion is over.
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Welcome to the new politically correct world of 'neo_ism' where nothing
is help in more disdain than issagreeing with the thinking of the
'enlightened'.

to get back on the forum topic.
ATC is in english in the US, and nobody seems to request accomodations
for non-english speaking pilots (hell i think the FAR stipulates that
the pilot must speak english). But if i'm flying into Germany, for
example, would I be speaking to their ATC in german or english? What
about Mexico? What if i'm a mexican pilot would it be english or
spanish?

But if i'm flying into Germany, for
example, would I be speaking to their ATC in german or english? What
about Mexico? What if i'm a mexican pilot would it be english or
spanish?

I believe it is in English, worldwide. I've never flown in a foreign
country, but my understanding is that ATC is supposed to be in English,
even for the natives.

Jose
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Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
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On 14 Feb 2007 09:53:11 -0800, "mad8" wrote:

to get back on the forum topic.
ATC is in english in the US, and nobody seems to request accomodations
for non-english speaking pilots (hell i think the FAR stipulates that
the pilot must speak english). But if i'm flying into Germany, for
example, would I be speaking to their ATC in german or english? What
about Mexico? What if i'm a mexican pilot would it be english or
spanish?

A softball question? English is the ICAO international language of
aviation. ATC communications everywhere are in English.

Delicious irony, no?

Don