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  #181  
Old February 15th 07, 02:34 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Sylvain
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C J Campbell wrote:

Once we are rid of them, we can turn on the telephone sanitizers,
hairdressers, marketing people, and other useless members of society like
a pack of dogs. Maybe even send them to another planet. :-)


....but then won't we risk dying from infections caught from dirty
telephones?

--Sylvain (who studied the classics of English literature as part
my effort to integrate smoothly into the local culture)

  #182  
Old February 15th 07, 02:37 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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No, they don't. Assuming they are not paid in cash, an illegal family of
four would have to make more than $25,000.00 per year before they paid the
first dime in income taxes. Before that, they would be entitled to an
earned income tax CREDIT, which other taxpayer pay to them for working.
Meanwhile, we are paying $20,000 per year to educate their two children, and
possibly another $5,000 to deliver their next one. If they are injured on
the job, we are paying disability benefits. If they require medical
treatment, we are paying that as well.

Sales taxes, you say? Direct transfers back to Mexico is the second largest
source of money for the Mexican economy, right after oil, and before
tourism. So tell me, at 5% of what's left over, how much of their earnings
is going to our economy?

The popularity of illegal aliens is blindingly simple: if I am an employer,
and I have to pay a citizen $12 per hour to do a job, and I can get an
illegal to do the same thing for $9, and there are no adverse consequences
to picking the illegal, which one will I choose?

Our immigration disaster is the result of a very ugly confluence of liberal
democratic politics with right wing immoral business interests. It is
certainly a more profound threat to our nation than terrorism.


Just for the record you do realize that MANY illegals pay taxes in the US
don't you. I don't think anyone would say they don't work hard. If they
didn't they wouldn't be in such demand.



  #183  
Old February 15th 07, 02:45 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
LWG
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Exactly! So let's start right now, with this decision. We're behind in our
work.

You may remember my favorite government story. I think in Washington state
there was a regulation that for their mental health patients, a translator
had to be available for every patient for whom English was not their
language of choice. It came to the attention of the administration of the
mental hospitals that a number of their patients spoke Klingon. That's
right -- Klingon. It has a syntax and all the attributes of a language.
Soooo, Washington state started advertising for Klingon interpreters for
their mental hospitals. They didn't go so far as hiring one, and I'm not
really sure why.

What is the economic advantage of offering weather reports in additional
languages? Who decide what constitutes "enough speakers?"


You know, that question could be asked of every single decision made by
government.



  #184  
Old February 15th 07, 02:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
LWG
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I thought we missed the opportunity of a lifetime when the Berlin Wall came
down. Why couldn't we have shipped it -- brick by brick -- to the US. We
could have rebuilt it just inside the inner loop of I-495. Everyone
benefits!


Only if you get to throw Washington, DC into the deal. We declare that a
Spanish speaking territory (because it largely is) and give it to Mexico.
The
only requirement is that anyone serving in office or working there in any
capacity, paid or unpaid, or who has ever worked there, will be declared a
resident of Mexico and be deported from the US as an undocumented alien.



  #185  
Old February 15th 07, 04:18 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Logajan
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"Jay Honeck" wrote:
Does anyone else find it disturbing that the National Weather Service
in the United States is paying out taxpayer money to a government
employee to create a foreign-language web page?


Look folks, what Jay is saying here[1] isn't about Spanish, its about
government excess. Plenty of government abuse of our money is out there
and we shouldn't act like sheep when it happens. Unfortunately I think
Jay missed the target when he used this example.

[1] "What Jay is trying to say" is my deliberate play on the following
dialogue from the movie "The Right Stuff":

"[An argument rages, primarily between Shepard, Glenn, Carpenter and
Cooper]

Scott Carpenter: John's right! Now, whether we like it or not, we're
public figures. Whether we deserve it or not, people are going to look up
to us. We have got a tremendous responsibility here.

Alan Shepard: You cannot tell a pilot what he's doing when he's not
flying!

[Argument continues]

Gus Grissom: Wait a minute, wait a minute!

[turns Glenn toward him]

Gus Grissom: You've got it all wrong, the issue here ain't pussy. The
issue here is monkey.

John Glenn: What?

Gus Grissom: Us. We are the monkey.

Deke Slayton: What Gus is saying is that we're missing the point. What
Gus is saying is that we all heard the rumors that they want to send a
monkey up first. Well, none of us wants to think that they're gonna send
a monkey up to do a man's work. But what Gus is saying is that what
they're trying to do to us is send a man up to do a monkey's work. Us, a
bunch of college-trained chimpanzees!

Gus Grissom: ****in' A, bubba.

Deke Slayton: Alright, so what Gus is saying is that we've got to change
things around here. He's saying that we are pilots. And we know more
about what we need to fly this thing than anybody else. So what we have
to do is to alter the experiment. And what that comes down to is who is
gonna control this thing from here on out.

Gordon Cooper: What Gus is saying here is that we've got to stick
together on this deal."

Shamelessly copied and pasted from:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086197/quotes
  #186  
Old February 15th 07, 04:31 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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What's your definition of a foreign language? (I don't need any
authoritative references).


That's quite a statement, Jose. Who appointed you "Keeper of All
Foreign Language "Knowledge"?

Face it -- your argument, while obviously heartfelt, is untenable.
Bail out now, to fight another day...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

  #187  
Old February 15th 07, 04:47 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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So what *do* you mean by "foreign language"?

My apologies. You have gone to extreme lengths to explain your
ignorance of the situation, thanks. I didn't realize that the concept
of a "foreign language" needed to be defined, but here goes:

A "foreign language" in the context of the United States of America
(and in the context of this discussion) is a language that is not
spoken by the majority of people since the country's inception.

Since every major founding document, every major newspaper, and (to
bring this discussion into the 21st century) every major American
website was/is published in English, we consider every language other
than English to be "foreign".

For further clarification, please refer to the definition of the word
"foreign", available in any of the free on-line dictionaries.

Your example of such indigenous languages as Lakota and Spanish are
not relevant to this discussion, as they pre-date the creation of the
United States. They were never considered to be official languages of
the United States, and may therefore be defined as "foreign", both in
fact and in the context of this discussion.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

  #188  
Old February 15th 07, 05:02 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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They pay taxes where they have to but they avoid it whenever they can,
after all, they are not invested in this country in any way. A lot of
money is sent back to Mexico in the end.


All of our local roofing contractors have been forced to switch to
(illegal) Mexican "employees". If you talk to them at a bar, they
will all tell you that they love it -- AND hate it.

Here's why:

1. The Mexicans work extremely hard -- much harder than their native
American counterparts, most of whom take the job simply because they
are incapable of anything better.

2. The Mexicans work extremely cheaply, and for cash. No taxes to
report, no paperwork to fill out.

3. Every business owner I speak with says that they feel terrible
about the situation, and wish the illegals would go home -- but if one
of them hires illegals, they must ALL hire them, or get put out of
business by the low-ball bids of the other guys.

The bad thing is that the police, the politicians, and the people
building houses all know about it -- and do nothing. The laws on the
books simply mean nothing to these people.

And roofing contractors are the tip of the iceberg. We are the ONLY
hotel in Iowa City that will not (and I mean we REFUSE) to hire
illegal aliens as housekeepers. We currently have two native-born
Americans, and one LEGAL Mexican housekeeper, and they are all
wonderful.

If the government would do more raids on businesses that knowingly
hire illegals (like the Swift Meat Packing raids last month), the
problem would resolve itself almost overnight. No jobs would mean no
illegals, and we wouldn't need to build border fences, or hire more
border guards.

But there is far too much money going to the politicians for that to
happen in any effective way, much in the same way that we can't stop
the illegal drug trade. The politicians are in bed with the corrupt
business owners who hire these people -- and that's not about to
change.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

  #189  
Old February 15th 07, 05:04 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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I am an engineer by training and trade so I like things that are
accurate, objective, honest and correct.


What the heck are you doing *here*??

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


  #190  
Old February 15th 07, 05:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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You cannot have the best of the old country _and_ the best of the new.

Now there I disagree.

My German heritage meshes nicely with Mary's Hungarian background. We
enjoy great beer, wine, potatoes, and goulash, as well as oompah bands
and polkas!

In my opinion, the ONLY parts of our heritage that have survived five
generations in the United States have been the best ones. All the
horrible European problems that our ancestors fought so hard to escape
have been left behind, while the good parts -- the food, the song, the
festivals -- remain.

In the end, we are both very proud of our heritage, but we are first
and foremost AMERICANS. Our great-grandparents didn't risk their
lives coming here so that we could screw that up.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

 




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