Scouts have bumpy landing

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

Mostly it's because they outnumber commercial aircraft by a huge
margin, fjukkwit.

Unfortunately, no, it's not that.


How would you know?


Bertie

Gary writes:

Lets see...he's an aviation professional, running the local airport
where the aircraft was based. He'd know the aircraft owner, and all
the A&P's at the field. As airport manager, I guarantee he's spoken
to all of the parties involved, probably had a look at the plane and
the maintenance records, and he may very well have been a witness to
the landing.

More importantly, you agree with him.

You were 6000 miles away from the incident, you haven't left your
apartment since, your only knowledge of the landing was what you read
in the links posted above, you have no aviation background, and you've
never been in a light plane or seen a maintenance log.

More importantly, you disagree with me.

He's more qualified to determine the state of maintenance.

More importantly, you assume that anyone who agrees with you is more
qualified.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

How would you know?

I read and study.




Bwsawhaahwhawhhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahhwhahwhah! You lift a bunch of crap off
the net and then have the audacity to argue with people who actualy have a
clue..


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Gary writes:

Lets see...he's an aviation professional, running the local airport
where the aircraft was based. He'd know the aircraft owner, and all
the A&P's at the field. As airport manager, I guarantee he's spoken
to all of the parties involved, probably had a look at the plane and
the maintenance records, and he may very well have been a witness to
the landing.

More importantly, you agree with him.

You were 6000 miles away from the incident, you haven't left your
apartment since, your only knowledge of the landing was what you read
in the links posted above, you have no aviation background, and
you've
never been in a light plane or seen a maintenance log.

More importantly, you disagree with me.

He's more qualified to determine the state of maintenance.

More importantly, you assume that anyone who agrees with you is more
qualified.


Wow, a mind like a steel trap. Oh wait, I meant a drain trap. all full
of hair and slime..

Bertie

James Sleeman wrote:
On Mar 20, 7:56 am, wrote:
Seconds before the plane came down, Riegel said, the pilot told his
passengers he would land on the grass next to the runway.
Wonder why the pilot chose to land on the grass instead of the hard,

I thought that too. When flying a retract that won't let the gear
down I always thought the preferred landing places were in this order

Best...........: sealed runway
Less Good......: grass runway
Really Bad Day.: anything else

The hard vs. soft argument is long debated. It's probably actually
a wash. The advantages of the hard runway is that it's potentially
smoother and you'll slide to a more graceful less violent stop.
The advntage of the grass is the

Mxsmanic wrote:
M. Fricker writes:

No, the airport manager didn't say that.

The airport manager is no more qualified to determine the state of
maintenance of the gear than I am.

My dog is more qualified to determine the state of maintenance of the gear
than you are. She has actually seen on one close.

On Mar 19, 4:40 pm, "Morgans" wrote:

As long as we are on the subject of becoming active in Boy Scouts,
I should mention the Explorer program, specifically, the Aviation
Explorer program.

Again, good call, Jim. Its possible there was an Explorer Post or two
in attendance, but if so, their presence wasn't obvious. What *was*
obvious was a group of youth in bright red t-shirts and BDU pants;
when my son and his buddy saw them, they both said, "Wow, look at
those Commando Scouts!".

Needless to say, I was a bit perturbed to think that a group of Scouts
would show up in military clothing, but it turned out the group was
actually the Civil Air Patrol and they were providing crowd control
assistance on the flight line.

I think at one time years ago, there was a division of Explorers
called "Air Scouts". I don't know what became of them, but I think
aviation posts are all that remain, at least here in the US. I
understand the UK still has Air Scouts.

Aviation Explorers can be a pivotal way to increase our youth's
interest in aviation. In our post, we have had several youth take
aviation as a career path, when that was not the likely way they
were headed.

How would you compare your aviation post to Civil Air Patrol? I was
in CAP for a very short time in middle school, but dropped out to play
football. I regret that decision, because I dropped out of Scouts,
also.

We have gone to at least two air shows per year (not counting the
big one (OSH)) gone skiing, rafting, to scuba certifying classes,
directed parking and aircraft at our area air show, helped with
our local EAA fly-ins, and the list goes on.

The event that started this thread was actually an EAA Fly-In; for the
last three years, the organizers have invited Boy Scouts to come out
and complete their aviation MB. My son and I both expressed our
gratitude that these men & women took time to give back to kids by
hosting the event, and giving the kids free rides (the two gear-up
landings, notwithstanding).

I appreciate your efforts to stimulate interest in avaiation careers
in the youth in your area via your Explorer Post. I wish more adults
with your passion could find a way to give back to youth.

The Aviation Explorers have a base on the airport grounds, down
next to the North airplane camping area, next to the Civil Air
Patrol base camp.

Do you find any crossover between your Aviation Post and the local
CAP?

I can't emphasize how good of an experience Aviation Explorers
can be for you, and for our youth. For those people who really
want to make a difference in keeping G.A. alive, and even growing,
IMHO, there is NO better way to make it happen.

Seriously, think of getting some buddies together and start a
post. It is not hard, and very rewarding. I can point you to a
person who is far more qualified than me, to give you the
specifics of how to make this all happen.

Your local Boy Scout Council can also help, but I think new posts are
a low priority for them, because the youth in a post are not
considered "traditional" members, and so don't help the local DE meet
his annual membership quota.

For other general questions, feel free to contact me, or better
yet, post them here, in newsgroup land.

Jim, thanx again for all you do for the youth in your area.

Seconds before the plane came down, Riegel said, the pilot told his
passengers he would land on the grass next to the runway.

I thought grass gear-up landings were more hazardous than using the
runway? Things can dig into the grass, producing a much faster stop.
Although maybe it's a toss-up, as a hard surface landing might
increase the odds of a fire, depending on the type of aircraft.

We all have to keep in mind that mxsmanic is an unfortunate individual who
suffers from a personality disorder. His underlying psychiatric problem
precludes any type of rational discourse, so it is pointless to even try.

Again, good call, Jim. Its possible there was an Explorer Post or two
in attendance, but if so, their presence wasn't obvious.

Are you talking as, "Its possible there was an Explorer Post or two
in attendance," in refering to at OSH Airventure?



They are not obvious. It is not only "possible" that there were a couple
posts there, but there *WERE* a dozen or so posts there, *positively.*

Learning for Life programs, which Explorers are one of, wear no uniforms,
memorize no oaths or promises. The only way you could tell that they were
there is by asking anyone wearing an orange or green vest in the homebuilt
area if they are part of the Explorer group. There have been over 100 boys
and girls there for the last 7 years that I know of, and for more years than
that, as recorded- but not seen by me.

What *was*
obvious was a group of youth in bright red t-shirts and BDU pants;
when my son and his buddy saw them, they both said, "Wow, look at
those Commando Scouts!".

Needless to say, I was a bit perturbed to think that a group of Scouts
would show up in military clothing, but it turned out the group was
actually the Civil Air Patrol and they were providing crowd control
assistance on the flight line.

I think at one time years ago, there was a division of Explorers
called "Air Scouts". I don't know what became of them, but I think
aviation posts are all that remain, at least here in the US. I
understand the UK still has Air Scouts.

Aviation Explorers can be a pivotal way to increase our youth's
interest in aviation. In our post, we have had several youth take
aviation as a career path, when that was not the likely way they
were headed.

How would you compare your aviation post to Civil Air Patrol? I was
in CAP for a very short time in middle school, but dropped out to play
football. I regret that decision, because I dropped out of Scouts,
also.


I know nothing of Civil Air Patrol youth, so am unqualified to speak to
that.

We have gone to at least two air shows per year (not counting the
big one (OSH)) gone skiing, rafting, to scuba certifying classes,
directed parking and aircraft at our area air show, helped with
our local EAA fly-ins, and the list goes on.

The event that started this thread was actually an EAA Fly-In; for the
last three years, the organizers have invited Boy Scouts to come out
and complete their aviation MB. My son and I both expressed our
gratitude that these men & women took time to give back to kids by
hosting the event, and giving the kids free rides (the two gear-up
landings, notwithstanding).

Yes, it is a great thing, to fly the boys, which we try to get done at least
once a year. It is done with the EAA program (which I can't remember the
name, right now. Young Eagles; is that it?)

I appreciate your efforts to stimulate interest in avaiation careers
in the youth in your area via your Explorer Post. I wish more adults
with your passion could find a way to give back to youth.

Thanks. I am no longer active, but was for about 7 or more years.

The Aviation Explorers have a base on the airport grounds, down
next to the North airplane camping area, next to the Civil Air
Patrol base camp.

Do you find any crossover between your Aviation Post and the local
CAP?

None that I am aware of.

I can't emphasize how good of an experience Aviation Explorers
can be for you, and for our youth. For those people who really
want to make a difference in keeping G.A. alive, and even growing,
IMHO, there is NO better way to make it happen.

Seriously, think of getting some buddies together and start a
post. It is not hard, and very rewarding. I can point you to a
person who is far more qualified than me, to give you the
specifics of how to make this all happen.

Your local Boy Scout Council can also help, but I think new posts are
a low priority for them, because the youth in a post are not
considered "traditional" members, and so don't help the local DE meet
his annual membership quota.

Correct. The connection to Boy Scouts is very distant, and not a factor in
recruiting members.

Read some of the links that I and another provided back a few posts, if you
want to understand the organizational connections better.
--
Jim in NC