Air Force Uniform Envy

In article , "EndX"
wrote:


http://www.af.mil/stories/story.asp?storyID=123005370

That is one nasty looking uniform! looks like something out of GI Joe,
and
her beret looks silly, but that's besides the point. What's then gen on
laundering the uniforms? Did they have to be professionally washed
previously? Why? What's wrong with chucking BDUs in the washing machine
and
using spray starch if need be?

just curious

BMFull



Note she's in SSO. Perhaps this is the new color scheme for SCIFs.

Subject: Air Force Uniform Envy
From: Howard Berkowitz
Date: 8/8/03 12:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

In article , "EndX"
wrote:


http://www.af.mil/stories/story.asp?storyID=123005370

That is one nasty looking uniform! looks like something out of GI Joe,
and
her beret looks silly, but that's besides the point. What's then gen on
laundering the uniforms? Did they have to be professionally washed
previously? Why? What's wrong with chucking BDUs in the washing machine
and
using spray starch if need be?

just curious

BMFull



Note she's in SSO. Perhaps this is the new color scheme for SCIFs.



Real soldiers wear OD's. girls wear blue.


Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Michael" wrote

Someone other than me hates that new logo? The AF needs to go back
the old one from the 50s!

Sure, Sure... Who gives a **** what they had in the 50's.

That is without a doubt the dumbest, most ugly uni I've ever seen.

Looks good on blacks, orientals, and hispanics--the backbone of the
modern air force. The fact that it doesn't look that good on white people,
should be no reason to throw it out.

davidG35 wrote:
One of the things I think is funny is that in the 80's the AF went to BDU's
to save $ since they didn't want to pay the price for the old green
fatigues, now with our significantly smaller AF I can well imagine the cost
for the uniforms, just feel sorry as hell for the AF guys attached to army
units since that uniform will be sniper bait extraordinaire. Just keep the
old BDUs let the marines play by themselves and let the troops have their
colorful squadron moral caps you took away in the 80s.
GMAN



I've worked as a civilian for the Air Force since 1987, and the only
time I've seen anyone in the current Army style camouflage cap is when
they transfer in. They quickly start wearing their squadron's baseball cap.

Joe

BDU's weren't and aren't Nomex. The no starch, no iron policy was to
preserve the IR suppression characteristics of the fabric. Starch allowed
the heat to pass through, and the shininess if ironed was reflective.

Les


"B2431" wrote in message
...
BDUs aren't "supposed" to be sent to the cleaners. They were designed to
be
washed, dried, and then worn. The problem is that the Air Force doesn't
have a clue and thinks BDUs are supposed to have creases.

I was in spec ops and was in one of the first units in theAir Force to get
BDUs. We were told not to starch and press BDUs because it killed the
NomexT
and to not have the pockets sewn shut. Doing such would make the uniform
"unservicable."

Then again, in the 1970s permanant press fatigues were prohibited on the
flightline because they were static electricity risks. A few years later
the
cotton fatigues were gone and all you could wear were permanent press.

I guess logic loses out to fashion every time. How long before the new
uniform
has to be tailor fitted?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

So what do the officers wear?

On 9 Aug 2003 08:05:39 -0700, (Kirk Stant)
wrote:

Anyway, the French have the right idea - their Air Force enlisted
troops (male and female) in hot climates wear shorts and sleeveless
mesh shirts. Real short shorts, in the case of the females. Talk
about our females being jelous, in their baggy BDUs and black
T-shirts!

BDU's weren't and aren't Nomex. The no starch, no iron policy was to
preserve the IR suppression characteristics of the fabric. Starch allowed
the heat to pass through, and the shininess if ironed was reflective.

Les

We were told the BDUs were Nomex treated and that starch would kill it. There
were several things in writing from the base commander on down about.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Well they lied (not the first time). They were treated to suppress IR, and
that is what the starch defeated, by filling the pores in the fabric with a
shiny hard surface.

Les


"B2431" wrote in message
...
BDU's weren't and aren't Nomex. The no starch, no iron policy was to
preserve the IR suppression characteristics of the fabric. Starch
allowed
the heat to pass through, and the shininess if ironed was reflective.

Les

We were told the BDUs were Nomex treated and that starch would kill it.
There
were several things in writing from the base commander on down about.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"Les Matheson" wrote

Well they lied (not the first time). They were treated to suppress IR, and
that is what the starch defeated, by filling the pores in the fabric with a
shiny hard surface.

We were told to wash and wear. They had name tapes and stripes. Then
the non-ops pukes started making them into fag-suits with patches all over
the pockets. It was no longer a battle-dress, and the next logical step was
making it mandatory that they be starched. So it goes...

Not a big deal for me, I wore a zoom-bag 99.9% of the time, except I had
to have two sets in my mobility gear, and then we added the desert stuff
which also was turned into a fag-suit by a bunch of deployed queers.

The air force is all about queers now, and very rarely do you see a real
man or woman in uniform since the end of the 20th Century...

The new one is just a blue fag-suit, for the same queers, and they'll have
squadron patches and typewriter wings on it before Christmas.

Sort of sums it up pretty nicely :-)

"Joey Bishop" wrote in message newsYgZa.307349
We were told to wash and wear. They had name tapes and stripes. Then
the non-ops pukes started making them into fag-suits with patches all over
the pockets. It was no longer a battle-dress, and the next logical step
was
making it mandatory that they be starched. So it goes...

Not a big deal for me, I wore a zoom-bag 99.9% of the time, except I had
to have two sets in my mobility gear, and then we added the desert stuff
which also was turned into a fag-suit by a bunch of deployed queers.

The air force is all about queers now, and very rarely do you see a real
man or woman in uniform since the end of the 20th Century...

The new one is just a blue fag-suit, for the same queers, and they'll have
squadron patches and typewriter wings on it before Christmas.