Flight Lessons

"Charles Talleyrand" wrote:

Are you a pilot?

Ya. Are you a pirate?

Do your pilot friends also think these things about GPS?

Yo ho yo ho shiver me timbers!

Yep. You're funny. Thank you for you wit.


-Mike (newbies, ya' just gotta' love 'em) Marron

I'm not a newbie.

I think everyone's a newbie to Marron...that's the impression
that he gives anyway.
--

-Gord.

"Gord Beaman" ) wrote:

I think everyone's a newbie to Marron...that's the impression
that he gives anyway.

Those who say that GPS is "best thing since sliced bread" and
don't realize that there are significant downsides give me the
impression that they're either newbies, or they don't understand
the problem.

-Mike Marron

Subject: Flight Lessons
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 8/8/03 10:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Les asked:
Hey Art, did you guys have a drift meter? Curious.

Add on question,
Anyone here ever fly a "Double Drift" leg after training? By 1965 it wasn't
even taught in USAF Nav course except as a two minute discussion in the basic
equipment ground course.
It was like the intro to loran "This is the APN.9 (?).and you'll never see
it
again, we use the XXX now" The first "Shakey that I got on had the old set
sigh and it didn't work double sigh

Oxmoron1


Taking an entire group of 56 Marauders through a double drift when you could
have gotten the same result in 15 seconds on the Norden, without even changing
course, didn't make much sense (sigh)

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Might have in a KC-97. That was a year or 40 ago.

ole nav

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Flight Lessons
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 8/8/03 10:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Les asked:
Hey Art, did you guys have a drift meter? Curious.

Add on question,
Anyone here ever fly a "Double Drift" leg after training? By 1965 it
wasn't
even taught in USAF Nav course except as a two minute discussion in the
basic
equipment ground course.
It was like the intro to loran "This is the APN.9 (?).and you'll never
see
it
again, we use the XXX now" The first "Shakey that I got on had the old
set
sigh and it didn't work double sigh

Oxmoron1


Taking an entire group of 56 Marauders through a double drift when you
could
have gotten the same result in 15 seconds on the Norden, without even
changing
course, didn't make much sense (sigh)

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:09:21 GMT, wrote:

"Gord Beaman" ) wrote:

I think everyone's a newbie to Marron...that's the impression
that he gives anyway.

Those who say that GPS is "best thing since sliced bread" and
don't realize that there are significant downsides give me the
impression that they're either newbies, or they don't understand
the problem.

Who needs GPS when you have a star tracker and a current star map? It
worked for us with the SR-71.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 00:36:00 GMT, wrote:

Mary Shafer wrote:
wrote:

Those who say that GPS is "best thing since sliced bread" and
don't realize that there are significant downsides give me the
impression that they're either newbies, or they don't understand
the problem.

Who needs GPS when you have a star tracker and a current star map? It
worked for us with the SR-71.

Cool. We're having a little fly-in this weekend so you can bring your
SR-71 w/startracker and I'll bring my ultralight trike w/GPS...

Deal?

I'd be too worried about FOD at engine start with ultralight trikes
around. I guess we'll have to be sure the Blackbird is always in
front. Way far in front, unless the trike is titanium.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

Art wrote concerning doing a "Double Drift"

Mary Shafer wrote:

wrote:

Cool. We're having a little fly-in this weekend so you can bring your
SR-71 w/startracker and I'll bring my ultralight trike w/GPS...

Deal?

I'd be too worried about FOD at engine start with ultralight trikes
around. I guess we'll have to be sure the Blackbird is always in
front. Way far in front, unless the trike is titanium.

Ultralight Trike -- 1
SR-71 -- 0

-Mike Marron

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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In WW II almost no one had a college education.

And in fact, it was WWII and the GI bill that changed that,
and the face of the US....

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Eddie Rickenbacker on navigation:

http://www.richthofen.com/rickenbacker/rick29.htm

I leaned over and shook the compass. It whirled a few times,
then settled itself in exactly the opposite direction! Again I shook
it and again it pointed to a new direction. Never have I seen a
compass - except those captured from Boche machines - that
even pretended to disclose the direction of north!

Three-quarters of an hour of gasoline remained to me. And a much
over-rated sense of direction - and no compass. Then I thought of the
north star! Glory be! There she shines! I had been going west instead
of south and would have had two hundred miles or so of fast flying
before striking the British lines near Ypres on my present course.

Keeping the star behind my rudder I flew south for fifteen minutes,
then dropping down, almost immediately found myself above a bend
in a stream of water that resembled a familiar spot in the River Mouse.