I'm not a real Pilot?

Judah writes:

Actually, there are avenues available that allow even people who have failed
a medical to pilot an aircraft. Ultralights, for example.

An ultralight is not an aircraft in my book. A simulator is closer to the
real thing.

No, it's a forum of individuals, most with similar interests, and many of
whom visit on a regular basis. In some cases, members know each other outside
the forum and even meet up at events.

That's their problem, not mine. This is a worldwide newsgroup; the vast
majority of participants will never meet each other anywhere except here.

If you want social activity, there's always the Elks Club, which I suspect
would appeal to many pilots.

To deny the social aspect of this forum is quite naive.

The social aspect of this forum is an illusion held by a very small minority
of its participants. Some people don't understand USENET.

Certainly some of the abuse that you have observed is engendered by your
conitnued stabs at the pride pilots take in our unique achievement -
demonstrating the knowledge and ability required to pilot an aircraft safely
enough to receive certification from a government authority.

I've made no stabs, and even if I had, there is nothing that justifies abuse.

People who abuse others have problems, as do people who experience pride.

Getting a license is more a matter of jumping through hoops than demonstrating
any ability or knowledge.

You demonstrate significant pride in your achievement of learning to pilot a
simulated aircraft, and of your knowledge about aviation.

Do I? Where?

Do you expect others on the forum to respect your pride when you minimize ours?

I don't care what others respect. I don't have any pride, so that's not a
problem.

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Judah writes:

Salaries in general have very little to do with how much the person earning
the salary is worth.

Yes, as the salaries of some airline captains prove.

And yet Schoolteachers, Police, Firefighters, and Emergency Medical
Technicians are typically not high-paid service providers. Sometimes services
such as these are provided by volunteers who are not paid at all.

Maybe the 747 captains can donate to them.

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"Tim" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes:


I once had a non pilot charter pax ask me before the flight why we
charged so much money for our services. I told him he could make the
flight one of two ways. We could walk out to the airplane together, get
in, and I'd do the flying, or I could show him the airplane and he was
welcome to try it by himself.


The high salaries of some airline pilots are mostly high for historical
reasons. It's best not to look too closely at how much they are actually
worth.


Um, this comment was about a charter pilot. They don't make much
typically.

What are you talking about? We know that only rich people can afford to fly,
right?

Why my nephew makes so much money on his two part time flying jobs (one
corporate and one charter - both right seat in King Air's) that he only
needs one other job (working the desk a FBO) to pay the rent.

It probably helps that his expenses are down - he's on 24 hour call for the
charter job since they mostly fly organ transplant teams so he doesn't spend
anything on beer anymore.

I know another guy that's been a flight instructor for 25-30 years - between
him and his wife, they make so much money that they actually own a house!!!

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Mxsmanic wrote:


David writes:




So why is it the general public thinks that to be a real
pilot you have to aspire to become a scheduled airline captain?


For much the same reason that some people think that people who
fly
simulators cannot be real pilots. It's human nature to try to
rank
people, always in such a way that the person doing the ranking
turns
out to merit a high rank, whereas other people turn out to merit a
low rank.


No one said you could not be one. Just that you are not one. Big
difference.


No, not so I said he couldn't be one. He can't


Bertie


Yes, I didn;t see your posts until after.
I think you are incorrect. It is not that hard to do.


Didn't say it was, just too hard for him.

I would bet he

could do it if he took lessons.

By the way, you are about as annoying as he is in your posts.


Good. You don;t like me, killfile me. Otherwise, go **** yourself.


Loser.

And yet you're still talking to me.

Hmm. Guess that makes you a loser's loser.



Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Whome? writes:

Well then here... the next time you simulate flying out for a $100
hamburger, let me set you up with a date!!!

I don't simulate $100 hamburgers or dates. In a simulator, you don't
need an excuse to fly, since there is no overhead or expense to
flying.

That's because it's not flying, it's jerking off.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Judah writes:

Actually, there are avenues available that allow even people who have
failed a medical to pilot an aircraft. Ultralights, for example.

An ultralight is not an aircraft in my book. A simulator is closer to
the real thing.

No, it's a forum of individuals, most with similar interests, and
many of whom visit on a regular basis. In some cases, members know
each other outside the forum and even meet up at events.

That's their problem, not mine. This is a worldwide newsgroup; the
vast majority of participants will never meet each other anywhere
except here.

If you want social activity, there's always the Elks Club, which I
suspect would appeal to many pilots.

To deny the social aspect of this forum is quite naive.

The social aspect of this forum is an illusion held by a very small
minority of its participants. Some people don't understand USENET.

Certainly some of the abuse that you have observed is engendered by
your conitnued stabs at the pride pilots take in our unique
achievement - demonstrating the knowledge and ability required to
pilot an aircraft safely enough to receive certification from a
government authority.

I've made no stabs, and even if I had, there is nothing that justifies
abuse.

People who abuse others have problems, as do people who experience
pride.

Another thing you're blessedly free of.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Maxwell writes:

vs. a simulator only gamer, that just thinks he is a pilot, and never
flys at all.

Not really any different.

Completley different. You wouldn't have a hope in hell of getting anythign
I fly, light or heavy, on the ground in one piece.



Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Judah writes:

Salaries in general have very little to do with how much the person
earning the salary is worth.

Yes, as the salaries of some airline captains prove.

And yet Schoolteachers, Police, Firefighters, and Emergency Medical
Technicians are typically not high-paid service providers. Sometimes
services such as these are provided by volunteers who are not paid at
all.

Maybe the 747 captains can donate to them.

Again, you don't know ****.


Berti e

"BDS" wrote in
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"Mxsmanic" wrote

Everyone knows, however, that if you haven't flown an airliner,
you're not
a
real pilot. A C172 doesn't count--or does it?

The "real" qualifier is a moving target, depending on whom you're
talking
to,
and who you are. I don't know that having a few hours in a C172
would
count
much among 747 pilots. Everyone wants someone else to look down
upon.

You labor under a typical misconception for a non-pilot - you need to
actually talk with some of the large equipment pilots if you really
think that any of them look down on pilots who fly smaller aircraft.
I know quite a few, and not a single one of them feels this way. In
fact, when it comes to preference every one of them would rather be
out flying a Piper Cub than an airliner.


Well, not every one.. Just the real ones.

Would you rather be out driving a bus around, or a sports car? Never
mind, I think I know =your= answer...

Microsoft midtown madness!


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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No. But I don't hear anyone saying that it's easy and cheap to become a
lawyer or doctor.

I don't hear anyone saying that about piloting either. To say that would be
as extreme as saying that one must be wealthy in order to fly. Neither is
accurate.