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  #251  
Old April 7th 07, 03:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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On Apr 7, 9:46 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
They aren't, though. Most training for airline pilots today takes place in
simulators, so pure simulator-based training is only one small step away from
the current practice.


This is incorrect. Most training for airline pilots takes place in
the right seat.

The magnetic compass is included in the minimum equipment list of any
aircraft I know, so obviously authorities disagree with that opinion.


Or they simply haven't bothered to change the regulations, and have little
motivation to do so.


Or there's actually somebody on the planet who's compentent and who
disagrees with you. Did you ever entertain that possibility?

I suppose if you consider malfunctioning avionics to be acceptable, you can
take off with that. I wouldn't.

If you knew anything about flight training or actually flying, you
wouldn't be saying this. I flew with NO instruments as part of my pre-
solo training.

The required avionics are mission dependent. For example, if you're
not going to fly IFR, you don't need any instruments that are only
used for IFR. As long as you don't go below the minimum equipment
list, and as long as you placard any inoperative instruments, you
don't need everything working.


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Old April 7th 07, 03:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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"Mxsmanic" wrote...
BDS writes:

Just about any decent instrument BFR or IPC is going to involve a loss

of
the DG or HSI in IMC.


But those are only a few of many instruments.


I'm not sure that any of this applies to you since I don't think you ever
simulate failures or simulate flying without the autopilot doing all of the
work. But, just for fun you may want to try shooting a VOR or ILS approach
without your HSI/DG and without the compass (or GPS) and let us know how you
do. You may find it difficult to intercept the final approach course and
track it inbound with no heading reference.

BDS


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Old April 7th 07, 03:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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"Mxsmanic" wrote ..

As a minimum, I will expect you never to have broken anything on those
simulated planes you fly.


That minimum is satisfied.


Including simulated damage?


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Old April 7th 07, 03:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Snowbird writes:

Please elaborate what that higher standard is and how you claim to
achieve
it.


I've already explained it. I want all instruments to work, not just those
on
the MEL.

As a minimum, I will expect you never to have broken anything on those
simulated planes you fly.


That minimum is satisfied.


You haven't satisfied dog crap.

Let's seen you answer the man's question. Or have you just ran yourself off
in to social IMC again, and are now experiencing a lawn dart crash due to
psychological vertigo.


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Old April 7th 07, 03:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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"Mxsmanic" wrote

I've already explained it. I want all instruments to work, not just those

on
the MEL.


We all do, but in real life things fail. When that happens, you owe it to
yourself and your passengers to be able to get back on the ground alive.

BDS


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Old April 7th 07, 04:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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BDS writes:

I'm not sure that any of this applies to you since I don't think you ever
simulate failures or simulate flying without the autopilot doing all of the
work.


I regularly fly by hand in small aircraft, but only occasionally in large
aircraft, as these practices are realistic.

A sim only produces failures if you request them, and I usually don't, unless
I want to practice something specific, such as engine failure. Practicing
failure scenarios is quite academic in a simulator, and doesn't serve much
purpose unless you intend to fly a real aircraft. It can be interesting for
other reasons, though.

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Old April 7th 07, 04:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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Snowbird writes:

Including simulated damage?


No, I've had damage before. I thought you meant instrument failure.

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Old April 7th 07, 04:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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"Mxsmanic" wrote

Practicing
failure scenarios is quite academic in a simulator, and doesn't serve much
purpose unless you intend to fly a real aircraft. It can be interesting

for
other reasons, though.


Yes, it could show you how useful your compass can be for instance.

BDS


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Old April 7th 07, 04:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
BDS writes:

I'm not sure that any of this applies to you since I don't think you ever
simulate failures or simulate flying without the autopilot doing all of
the
work.


I regularly fly by hand in small aircraft, but only occasionally in large
aircraft, as these practices are realistic.


No your don't, you don't fly anything but a desk


A sim only produces failures if you request them, and I usually don't,
unless
I want to practice something specific, such as engine failure. Practicing
failure scenarios is quite academic in a simulator, and doesn't serve much
purpose unless you intend to fly a real aircraft. It can be interesting
for
other reasons, though.


You how did you come to suffer the delusion that you could operate a real
aircraft in IMC.




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Old April 7th 07, 04:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Snowbird writes:

Including simulated damage?


No, I've had damage before. I thought you meant instrument failure.


Realy, what happened. Pizza grease on the yoke, spilled milk in the
keyboard?


 




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