Cost of gas is beginning to hurt

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On 2007-04-18 14:44:21 -0700, Matt Whiting said:

C J Campbell wrote:
It cost me more than $40 at Costco yesterday to fill my gas tank. I
figure it costs me at least $10 in gas every time I drive to the
airport -- and I have a hybrid car. I am beginning to wonder how long
some of the younger instructors can keep this up.

You live 60+ miles from the airport? You just need to move closer to the
airport!!

Matt

As the crow flies, it is only about 15 miles. But the road is really,
really crooked.

Hey, the house is free. It is in the woods, on the beach, with its own
creek. I can walk out my front door and pick all the oysters and clams I
want. Seals and whales play out in front, and eagles nest in my yard.
Sure, it is ten miles to the nearest town. But there are compensations.
OTOH, I notice that bears have been clawing up some of the trees in the
back yard...
Sounds like one nice place.
Maybe a helicopter.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

In article f3hWh.756$dM1.354@trndny07,
Justin Gombos wrote:

Out of curiosity, what's to stop the GA pilot (in terms of FAA law)
from making their own batch of biodiesel from waste oil to get rock
bottom prices, and sidestep the avgas tax entirely?

You must operate the aircraft (including the engine) iaw the limitations.
Those limitations will include minimum standards for the fuel. As long as
you could show your batch of diodiesel meets those standards, you
should be fine.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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Read, butthead: http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182149-1.html

I notice that Avweb now requires registration and none of the bugmenot.com
listings would work. Too bad, it was a good site.

Make one up on your own.

"flynrider via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
What's really strange is all those new 4 seaters are designed with
engine requiring 100LL, instead of 91/96.

It part of a big bore engine.

It has nothing to do with the bore, and everything to do with the
compression ratio.

Yes! My bad!

And what is the threshold for compression ratio?

Why does my current 7.5:1 CR still need 100LL when my older 8.5:1 did as
well?

"Justin Gombos" wrote in message news:f3hWh.756$dM1.354@trndny07...
: On 2007-04-20, ArtP wrote:
: On 19 Apr 2007 17:38:00 -0700, M wrote:
:
: I suspect for aviation diesel will be the solution for a while.
:
: Exactly. Leaving 100LL for unleaded is half-assed. When fuel prices
: match the prices in Europe, consumers will be going straight to
: diesel, and Jet A will supply them.
:
: I also agree w/ M. Aircraft makers are short-sighted. Consider the
: small fraction of single engine diesels available. More manufacturers
: should have already been on that by now.
:
: Out of curiosity, what's to stop the GA pilot (in terms of FAA law)
: from making their own batch of biodiesel from waste oil to get rock
: bottom prices, and sidestep the avgas tax entirely?
:
: Accounting for the cost of raw material, the yield would be ~$1/gal,
: which would make the fuel costs of flying cheaper than that of driving
: a typical car. And (IRS aside) what kind of FAA approval process
: would enable a GA pilot to do that? Or is that scenario pure fiction?
:
: --


Diesel or Jet fuel will cost us the same a 100LL if the switch over occurs. BioDiesel will also become unobtanium
when/if the demand shifts; there is not enough bio stuff to make it with to go around.

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On Apr 18, 12:45 pm, "Peter R." wrote:
On 4/18/2007 1:12:25 PM, wrote:

Just wait until they jack up the fuel tax to $0.70 a gallon and then
listen to the complaints! There will be a lot more planes parked on
the ramp and fewer in the air once this tax increase goes through.

If this tax does go through, expect the number of unfilled Angel Flight
missions (failure of a volunteer pilot to accept the flight) to sharply
increase.

--
Peter

Saudi Arabia must have some nice GA fields funded by the "tax" they
impose on us.

Tax??? It's their oil and I suppose in a free market you can charge what you
like - when you use more the price goes up and when you use less the price
goes down. Start using less.

It is the oil companies that are doing the stiffing.

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On Apr 18, 12:45 pm, "Peter R." wrote:
On 4/18/2007 1:12:25 PM, wrote:

Just wait until they jack up the fuel tax to $0.70 a gallon and then
listen to the complaints! There will be a lot more planes parked on
the ramp and fewer in the air once this tax increase goes through.

If this tax does go through, expect the number of unfilled Angel Flight
missions (failure of a volunteer pilot to accept the flight) to sharply
increase.

--
Peter

Saudi Arabia must have some nice GA fields funded by the "tax" they
impose on us.

Tax??? It's their oil and I suppose in a free market you can charge what
you like -

The open market determines the price and that's where everyone sells.

when you use more the price goes up and when you use less the price goes
down.

Supply is the big determination, and the demand part is being outstripped by
China and India.

Start using less.

Start producing more. Something like 75% of US capacity is "off limits"
thanks to Congress (who will always have all THEY need).


It is the oil companies that are doing the stiffing.

Bull **** in spades.

Oil Companies have averaged 12-15 cents profit on each gallon; government,
state and federal, gets 24 cents up to 60 cents for doing absolutly NOTHING
by signing papers.


You are utterly and totally clueless.

Oil Companies have averaged 12-15 cents profit on each gallon; government,
state and federal, gets 24 cents up to 60 cents for doing absolutly NOTHING
by signing papers.

Really? I thought that building and maintaining roads and bridges was
something, not nothing. Isn't the auto fuel tax used to fund highway
and road construction? Maybe I am mistaken.

By the same reasoning, the FAA does nothing for the tax they collect
on avgas. Is that correct?

On 2007-04-21, Bob Noel wrote:
In article f3hWh.756$dM1.354@trndny07,
Justin Gombos wrote:

You must operate the aircraft (including the engine) iaw the
limitations. Those limitations will include minimum standards for
the fuel. As long as you could show your batch of diodiesel meets
those standards, you should be fine.

That's more favorable than I would have expected. I suspect it would
be trivial for biodiesel to exceed the standards that petroleum diesel
is held to, at least in terms of quality.

There is a quality standard in place for producing biodiesel: ASTM
D6751. All biodiesel must meet that standard. So it's a question of
whether ASTM D6751 fuel complies w/ the standard you're talking about,
by default. What do you mean by "iaw?" Does the PIM document the
standard you're referring to?

If biodiesel falls short of the standards, it can be mixed w/ just
enough jet A to make it compliant.

On 2007-04-21, Blueskies wrote:

Diesel or Jet fuel will cost us the same a 100LL if the switch over
occurs.

If that's true, then diesel will certainly be favorable because of the
superior efficiency (you travel go further on a gallon of diesel), and
longer engine life.

BioDiesel will also become unobtanium when/if the demand shifts;
there is not enough bio stuff to make it with to go around.

Do you think it would hit that extreme? I think aircraft owners are
unlikely to stop using their 100LL engines, and all buy diesels all at
once. The upfront cost and downtime would keep down the numbers of
owners making the transition, IMO. Certainly the GA market is
oversaturated with 100LL engines as it stands.

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Oil Companies have averaged 12-15 cents profit on each gallon;
government,
state and federal, gets 24 cents up to 60 cents for doing absolutly
NOTHING
by signing papers.

Really? I thought that building and maintaining roads and bridges was
something, not nothing. Isn't the auto fuel tax used to fund highway
and road construction?

Very little...that's why they estimate our federtal infrastructure is "going
to hell". Mostly it goes to pork projects for connected pols and their
buddies.

Maybe I am mistaken.

More than half of fuel taxes wind up in the general fund, both federally and
in most states.

By the same reasoning, the FAA does nothing for the tax they collect
on avgas. Is that correct?

Nope.

Read the thread, then get a clue.