Burt Rutan

"Bill Silvey" wrote...

I swear to god, every time Tarver posts, an idiot moves up one rung on the
intelligence ladder, Tarver having given up his current position.

"Modern aircraft are electric."

And to think all these years the USAF, USMC, ANG, Army Aviation, USN and
others had been worried about *fuel*! Why if they'd just purchased
*batteries* everything would be fine!

Yeah, there's that minor "fuel" thang...

But I read somewhere about sumpthin called hydrastics or hydraulics or sumpthin
like that, and sumpthin about achewators or sumpthin by the ailerons and
elevators or escalators or sumpthin, that run by hydrastic fluids or sumpthin...

Oh! In anuther part of the book, I read about "air systems" that are INSIDE the
airplane! Not the air OUTSIDE the airplane, thet their flyin thru... Sumbody
sed the "air systems" run the flaps and reverse gear or sumpthin, and even the
air conditioning and the water faucet! Jus think! If yew could git the air to
run the air conditioner in a house, yew wouldn't hafta pay for electric air
conditioners in the windows!

I have an electric boat, but I haven't been on an electric airplane yet. I
gotta see one!

"Ed Majden" wrote in message
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The F/A-18A replacement is planned to be a robot.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE
Electrical Engineer


Hell, they aren't thinking of bringing back the Bomarc are they?

Right now they are developimg air to air refueling capabilities. The idea
is that a pilot can fly more missions, if they never leave the ship.

"Ed Majden" wrote in message
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The F/A-18A replacement is planned to be a robot.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE
Electrical Engineer


Hell, they aren't thinking of bringing back the Bomarc are
they???????????? ;-)

Further, this should come as a great huge shock to the people designing
control systems and cockpits for F35's.

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"Bill Silvey" wrote in message
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"Ed Majden" wrote in message
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The F/A-18A replacement is planned to be a robot.

Hell, they aren't thinking of bringing back the Bomarc are
they???????????? ;-)

Further, this should come as a great huge shock to the people designing
control systems and cockpits for F35's.

The Navy doesn't plan to purchase F-35s. They intend to opt out when
production begins.

wrote:

Cub Driver wrote:
Mike Marron wrote:

(64 days, 22
hours, 19 minutes w/o touching the ground) belongs to two men
flying the venerable old Cessna 172 back in the 1950's...

Did they wear diapers or what?

Interesting you should mention that. One of the boxes that I recently
hauled out of my mother's house contains some old stuff of my Dad's
from Vietnam. I found a long (one foot or a slightly longer in length)
skinny plastic jug. Now whaddya' s'pose THAT was for?

-Mike Marron


It's probably just a mummified Canadian condom.
--

-Gord.

"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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wrote:

Cub Driver wrote:
Mike Marron wrote:

(64 days, 22
hours, 19 minutes w/o touching the ground) belongs to two men
flying the venerable old Cessna 172 back in the 1950's...

Did they wear diapers or what?

Interesting you should mention that. One of the boxes that I recently
hauled out of my mother's house contains some old stuff of my Dad's
from Vietnam. I found a long (one foot or a slightly longer in length)
skinny plastic jug. Now whaddya' s'pose THAT was for?

-Mike Marron


It's probably just a mummified Canadian condom.
--

-Gord

Good one, Gord..

"B2431" wrote in message
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Not to put too fine a point on this, but one would suppose an EE would
know the
difference between "electric" and "electronic."

Are you attempting to expand your idiot credentials beyond air data, Dan?

You've got it backwards. Dick is the ex-F-100 pilot who flew around the
world non-stop; Burt is the designer. I didn't know either of them flew
the F-15.

Jim Thomas

Ed Rasimus wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote:


I would never go so far as to say a guy with Rutan's know how is full of it,
although I'm fairly certain that if he indeed did say what the initial
poster is saying what he said, he was in effect, doing some "creative
marketing" which he's been known to do from time to time.:-))
I remember Jim Bede doing the same thing when the BD1 was the hottest thing
around and he was trying like hell to sell the kits. Man, did he end up with
problems!!!.....but that's another story.
Naturally what Ras is saying about evolution is right on, but I'm also
fairly certain Rutan knows this as well. He's in the innovation business for
sure, and pushing that concept isn't all that unusual for him. I don't
believe his designs are commercial enough to be successful on a large scale.
The airplanes are good and well designed, but I can tell you from my own
experience they're WAY OUT THERE!!! :-)) Rutan has come up with historic
developments in bonding, glass, and composite construction. I honestly
believe that when it's all said and done, his ultimate contribution will
have been in how these innovations interface into other designers more
commercial designs.


Remember that there are TWO Rutans--Dick is the designer and Burt the
guinea pig in the cockpit usually. The innovation and creativeness
that gave us the Varieze, Voyager and a raft of other creations came
from Dick. Dick's the one that usually shows up at River Rats reunions
as well--seems to have a bit of Phantom in his background.....



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038

(B2431) wrote in message ...
In part, I agree but aren't you making an un-fair comparison?
Modern
electronics give these new aircraft their superior capability.

Modern aircraft are electric.

Bwaaaaaahwahwahwahwahwahw!

Do you wish to disagree, Jerry? Are you unaware of fly by wire automatated
aircraft?


Not to put too fine a point on this, but one would suppose an EE would know the
difference between "electric" and "electronic."

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

or a spoiler and a flap,
or an auto pilot and a flight director,
or even **** from shinola.

Don't know about the F-15, but Col. Jerry Gentry (rip) did the F-4 spin
tests with one of the Rutan brothers in his back seat. You've all seen the
video of the two of them stepping over the side of that flat spin after the
spin chute departs. I could swear Jerry said it was Dick.
--
Les
F-4C(WW),D,E,G(WW)/AC-130A/MC-130E EWO (ret)


"Jim Thomas" wrote in message
ink.net...
You've got it backwards. Dick is the ex-F-100 pilot who flew around the
world non-stop; Burt is the designer. I didn't know either of them flew
the F-15.

Jim Thomas

Ed Rasimus wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote:


I would never go so far as to say a guy with Rutan's know how is full of
it,
although I'm fairly certain that if he indeed did say what the initial
poster is saying what he said, he was in effect, doing some "creative
marketing" which he's been known to do from time to time.:-))
I remember Jim Bede doing the same thing when the BD1 was the hottest
thing
around and he was trying like hell to sell the kits. Man, did he end up
with
problems!!!.....but that's another story.
Naturally what Ras is saying about evolution is right on, but I'm also
fairly certain Rutan knows this as well. He's in the innovation business
for
sure, and pushing that concept isn't all that unusual for him. I don't
believe his designs are commercial enough to be successful on a large
scale.
The airplanes are good and well designed, but I can tell you from my own
experience they're WAY OUT THERE!!! :-)) Rutan has come up with historic
developments in bonding, glass, and composite construction. I honestly
believe that when it's all said and done, his ultimate contribution will
have been in how these innovations interface into other designers more
commercial designs.


Remember that there are TWO Rutans--Dick is the designer and Burt the
guinea pig in the cockpit usually. The innovation and creativeness
that gave us the Varieze, Voyager and a raft of other creations came
from Dick. Dick's the one that usually shows up at River Rats reunions
as well--seems to have a bit of Phantom in his background.....



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038