GA Flying Down 20%

On May 31, 9:29 pm, Jay Honeck wrote:
Just look at the drops of avgas consumption:

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/a403600001m.htm

Oh, my God. That is incredible. And awful.

I wonder if those sales figures from the 1980s included military
aircraft? There used to be lots of military hardware burning avgas
-- not any more...

If not? Holy moley...GA really is dead.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Wow, from 1990 to 2000 the consumption dropped by only 20%. From 2000
to 2006 it dropped by 47% (nearly cut in half). Note the big drop in
2004 when lots of layoffs were occuring in high tech...

By comparison, Jet-A has been pretty stable, and the growth in Jet-A
doesn't appear to making up for the drop in 100LL, and in fact Jet-A
use has declined in the past 4 years when the drop in 100LL was
substantial. I'd say this is strong evidence that piston flying hours
are way down...

Boy, those user fees are really going to help fund the airspace system
with all that GA traffic out there! (not)

wrote:
On Jun 5, 12:02 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 5, 5:30 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
But I fail to see in what way and how the French goverment is involved
in that.
You don't see how the French government has made it extremely
expensive for the average French citizen to fly general aviation
aircraft?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
Well, flying in France is cheap compared to most other European
countries.
Next week I'm going there, if I can find a rental I'll report what the
costs are.
Why would finding a rental be hard in a GA friendly country?

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Most rentals in France are club aircraft, for members only.
They do that to keep cost and (as I understand) paperwork down.

It is not difficult to find a rental but to avoid the introduction fee
or contribution to become a club member first.

That doesn't sound like a cheap way to fly ... back to Jay's original
point. What is a typical club fee to join? My flying club is around
$200 to join and the airplane requires a lengthy check-out. Joining
temporarily as an alternative to true renting would not be convenient,
quick or inexpensive.

Matt

On Jun 6, 1:05 am, Matt Whiting wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 5, 12:02 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 5, 5:30 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
But I fail to see in what way and how the French goverment is involved
in that.
You don't see how the French government has made it extremely
expensive for the average French citizen to fly general aviation
aircraft?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
Well, flying in France is cheap compared to most other European
countries.
Next week I'm going there, if I can find a rental I'll report what the
costs are.
Why would finding a rental be hard in a GA friendly country?

Matt- Hide quoted text -

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Most rentals in France are club aircraft, for members only.
They do that to keep cost and (as I understand) paperwork down.

It is not difficult to find a rental but to avoid the introduction fee
or contribution to become a club member first.

That doesn't sound like a cheap way to fly ... back to Jay's original
point. What is a typical club fee to join? My flying club is around
$200 to join and the airplane requires a lengthy check-out. Joining
temporarily as an alternative to true renting would not be convenient,
quick or inexpensive.

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About the same but +100 , depending on age.
Under 17 most French clubs( at least the ones I checked) give a
discount of about 60%.
Nice way to get young people into aviation.

-Kees

On Jun 5, 4:13 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Thomas Borchert writes:
That's just not true by any kind of measure. France is EXTREMELY
favorable to GA. And it is very easy to fly for fun in the country. It
is more expensive than the US, but compared to many other countries in
Europe, France is doing very well in GA. MX has no idea what he is
talking about (so what else is new?). I have no idea what you base your
view on, either.

I base my view on what pilots who have flown in both countries tell me, and on
the readily available information on the actual costs and obstacles.

The only serious obstacles in France are the Alps.
Very little their government can do about them.

-Kees

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Thomas Borchert writes:

That's just not true by any kind of measure. France is EXTREMELY
favorable to GA. And it is very easy to fly for fun in the country. It
is more expensive than the US, but compared to many other countries in
Europe, France is doing very well in GA. MX has no idea what he is
talking about (so what else is new?). I have no idea what you base your
view on, either.

I base my view on what pilots who have flown in both countries tell me,
and on
the readily available information on the actual costs and obstacles.

You actually expect us to believe you EVER listened to anyone. You obvously
don't base your viewpoints on what ANYONE tells you.

Maxwell writes:

You actually expect us to believe you EVER listened to anyone.

I listen to people who know what they are talking about.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Maxwell writes:

You actually expect us to believe you EVER listened to anyone.

I listen to people who know what they are talking about.

BS, you don't listen to anything but your own head rattling.

On Jun 6, 2:47 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

I listen to people who know what they are talking about.

That would be people you listen to only on the internet, your only
social life. And who naively think you're important and credible.
Your self-centered view of reality is documented on your web site's
FAQ:

Q. How did you learn how to create web pages?

Q. What fonts do you use on your site?

Q. Why do you use style sheets instead of FONT elements?

Do you think people are so stupid to believe these are matters which
visitors to your site actually care about? Does it not say it's all
about you?

F--