What I wanted Piper Ceo Bass to say...

Jay,

Put an O-540 in it, though, and look out. I think it would be a real
ass-kicker.


I still don't see how. A real gas-guzzler, yes.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Put an O-540 in it, though, and look out. I think it would be a real
ass-kicker.

I still don't see how. A real gas-guzzler, yes.

Well, my O-540-powered Pathfinder, with fixed gear, will absolutely
walk away from an Arrow.

It only follows that our engine in an airframe with gear that
disappears should be pretty danged quick.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Put an O-540 in it, though, and look out. I think it would be a real
ass-kicker.
I still don't see how. A real gas-guzzler, yes.

Well, my O-540-powered Pathfinder, with fixed gear, will absolutely
walk away from an Arrow.

Yes, but at a huge fuel consumption penalty. And I doubt you will walk
away from a 200 HP Arrow very quickly. A 180 HP Arrow is a fair big
doggier than a 200 HP version.

Matt

Thomas Borchert wrote:

2. Mercedes's output is so high that even if they quit making an engine
Thielert needs, it would be no problem at all for them to buy 20 years
worth of supply right before Merc shuts the production line down. The car
manufacturing numbers just are that much bigger. Our market is tiny.



In the old days people who lived and breathed aviation designed
and built engines (and aircraft) because it was in their DNA and
they owned most or all of the company. They made a fair profit,
built a lot of engines and airplanes that people could afford
and life was good.

Then over the years lawyers came along and started advertising
for lawsuits and caused a lot of these hard working aviation
businesses to go bankrupt in a single lawsuit over ae crash
which in all likelhood was caused by pilot error. They could make
millions in a few months off of of the decades of hard work of
these little aircraft companies.

After most of the blood was sucked away, (a day late and a dollar
short as usual) the government stepped in and passed a few laws
to prevent the last few drops from being sucked. The lawyers
had by then developed and perfected "IV" sucking devices for
a number of different industries that could still suck a lot
of blood, whil insurance companies sucked up the rest.

The result is the small innovative companies can not compete
in the marketplace because they just don't have the capital
to pay the insurance, taxes and all the other liabilities
that go with it and make enough profit to make it worth the effort.
If they do make a profit, the lawyers will be ready to suck it
all away when the first mishap occurs.

http://www.dieselair.com/
Fun site ....much reading.

Paul-Mont

That's a great site; thanks for the link! I was surprised how well
DeltaHawk is doing, as I did not know of the UAV relationship.

I'd love to hang their 200hp model on a Velocity, but have some doubts
about what I would do if the engine went tango uniform in Dodge City.

Well, my O-540-powered Pathfinder, with fixed gear, will absolutely
walk away from an Arrow.


Trade a Plane lists the 75% cruise of the Pathfinder at 133 knots,
which is about what the later Arrows do. The Dakota is listed at
144. Earlier models of the Arrow are a little faster. Mine routinely
shows 150 knots at best power, but I found out last month that my ASI
is lying :-( Nice feeling, though. Unfortunately, the GPS tells
me that I ALWAYS have headwinds.

Anyway, these are all draggy airframes, not worth trying to enhance.
Cramped interior, noisy, drafty. The only thing they really offer is
cheaper.

Paul,

Anyway, these are all draggy airframes, not worth trying to enhance.
Cramped interior, noisy, drafty. The only thing they really offer is
cheaper.


Well put.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Anyway, these are all draggy airframes, not worth trying to enhance.
Cramped interior, noisy, drafty. The only thing they really offer is
cheaper.

Well put.

Dunno about "cramped" -- I'm 6 feet tall, and have plenty of room.
"Noisy" is something that comes with all prop-driven, piston-powered
aircraft, as far as I can tell. ANR headsets solve that.

Drafty? You've got a problem that can be easily fixed. Poke around
on the Cherokee Pilots Association "Cherokee Chat" and you will find
much good advice about getting rid of air leaks in your Arrow. I had
the same problem in our Warrior, and ended up with a draft-free cabin,
after doing a few simple things. (Atlas is remarkably air-tight.
I've not had to do ANYTHING in the five years we've owned it. In
fact, I just won a new door seal in the drawings at the CPA fly-in,
and have swapped it with the donor for a discount on a landing light
blinker system. No need for the seal!)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
Anyway, these are all draggy airframes, not worth trying to enhance.
Cramped interior, noisy, drafty. The only thing they really offer is
cheaper.

Well put.

Dunno about "cramped" -- I'm 6 feet tall, and have plenty of room.

How W I D E are you?

I'm 6'1", but I wear a size 48 jacket. In most aircraft, my passenger has to
sit semi-sideways.


--
Matt Barrow
Performance Homes, LLC.
Cheyenne, WY

Jay,

Dunno about "cramped" -- I'm 6 feet tall, and have plenty of room.


Have you flown a Bo, a Cirrus, a Socata TB for long distance? If you
haven't, you don't know the meaning of "plenty of room" ;-)

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)