ID Theft -- Courtesy of the FAA

"El Maximo" wrote in message
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"quietguy" wrote in message
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I've just received a "past due" invoice for the purchase of 250
gallons of Jet A from an FBO a thousand miles away on 20 May. The
invoice includes my name and address and the N-number of my airplane.
The trouble is: I'm not a jet pilot; haven't been to that city in
thirty years; the airplane with that N-number is still a-building in
my garage and it won't burn kerosene when it flies, anyway.

A few years ago, I fueled up at an airport and gave them my Discover Card
(1% cash back). They didn't have a machine there, so they took an imprint.
A few weeks later, I got a bill from them with a note saying they don't
take Discover. They had written the tail number on the slip, so they knew
where to mail the bill.

My guess is something similar happened here, but they got the tail number
wrong.
Still makes no sense if it was a CC sale.

"quietguy" wrote in message
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On Jul 1, 1:11 pm, "Viperdoc" wrote:

without reading the whole thread, did you call your
credit card company and dispute the charges?

I have online access to my credit-card statement and it appears to be
updated nearly in real-time. The charge (from a 20 May transaction)
hasn't appeared. And that, like everything else about this case,
leaves me perplexed: if the FBO submitted a charge to some credit-card
company and they were told the account number was bogus, why just send
me a nice, polite "Past Due -- Please Remit" invoice?

Wait!! You said the guy opened CC's in your name, but that would not be YOUR
credit card.

Folks: I suspect this "quiet"guy is barfing our his butt.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"El Maximo" wrote in message
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"quietguy" wrote in message
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I've just received a "past due" invoice for the purchase of 250
gallons of Jet A from an FBO a thousand miles away on 20 May. The
invoice includes my name and address and the N-number of my airplane.
The trouble is: I'm not a jet pilot; haven't been to that city in
thirty years; the airplane with that N-number is still a-building in
my garage and it won't burn kerosene when it flies, anyway.

A few years ago, I fueled up at an airport and gave them my Discover Card
(1% cash back). They didn't have a machine there, so they took an
imprint. A few weeks later, I got a bill from them with a note saying
they don't take Discover. They had written the tail number on the slip,
so they knew where to mail the bill.

My guess is something similar happened here, but they got the tail number
wrong.
Still makes no sense if it was a CC sale.

He already said that all the facts aren't in. In my case, it was a credit
card transaction, but I got a bill from the FBO, because the CC didn't go
through.

It may have been a CC sale, but did the FBO say the CC was in his name? If
so, who said it? A clerk who could do nothing about it?

I still think the CC (in someone else's name) was declined, and the bill was
simply mailed to the owner of the plane - but they mixed up the N-number.

(Paul Tomblin) wrote in
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In a previous article, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow
way d0t com said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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And if your pilot license number is still your SS number like it is
for most pilots?


You can get that changed for free - even if you don't care if your SSN
is on your old ticket, this is a good way to get one of the nifty new
plastic

Yeah, that's how I avoided the $30 fee for an address change - I
changed my address *and* requested a new license number.



$30 fee? Where did you get that from?

The FAA web site still shows $2 for the fee.

From https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/amsr...lacenotice.asp (you need to
sign on to get to this page):


Requesting Replacement Certificates Online

You may request replacement of any or all of your airmen certificates with
a credit card payment of $2 for each certificate requested.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

"El Maximo" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"El Maximo" wrote in message
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"quietguy" wrote in message
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I've just received a "past due" invoice for the purchase of 250
gallons of Jet A from an FBO a thousand miles away on 20 May. The
invoice includes my name and address and the N-number of my airplane.
The trouble is: I'm not a jet pilot; haven't been to that city in
thirty years; the airplane with that N-number is still a-building in
my garage and it won't burn kerosene when it flies, anyway.

A few years ago, I fueled up at an airport and gave them my Discover
Card (1% cash back). They didn't have a machine there, so they took an
imprint. A few weeks later, I got a bill from them with a note saying
they don't take Discover. They had written the tail number on the slip,
so they knew where to mail the bill.

My guess is something similar happened here, but they got the tail
number wrong.
Still makes no sense if it was a CC sale.

He already said that all the facts aren't in. In my case, it was a credit
card transaction, but I got a bill from the FBO, because the CC didn't go
through.

If the CC didn't go through, you would not have gotten any gas (or whateve
else).


It may have been a CC sale, but did the FBO say the CC was in his name? If
so, who said it? A clerk who could do nothing about it?

IIRC the OP, it was a CC swipe sale...not a face-to-face sale. In that case
the FBO would not know who to send a bill to, and/or he would not have been
able to get gas from the pump.

I still think the CC (in someone else's name) was declined, and the bill
was simply mailed to the owner of the plane - but they mixed up the
N-number.

Again, if the CC was declined, he would not have gotten gas.

AIS, this whole thing is fishy. (Please, no fish puns :~) )

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"quietguy" wrote in message
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I've just received a "past due" invoice for the purchase of 250
gallons of Jet A from an FBO a thousand miles away on 20 May.

I'd like to know who the FBO is. This anecdotal stuff adds to the stink
here.

"Dennis Johnson" wrote in message
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I'm also confused by this. If the thief paid by credit card at a
self-serve pump, the FBO will get paid by the credit card company, no
matter what.

I could understand the credit card company coming after you to pay, but
that doesn't sound like the case here. I'm with the other poster who
guessed that it's a billing error by the FBO and will be resolved on
Monday.

Why would the FBO bill for something paid by CC (could happen, just not very
likely), as I believe that violates the rules that VISA, MC, AE, and the
rest, put down.

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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It may not have been the FAA- I had a call from a credit card company
regarding some fraudulent charges, and they called the same day! Some guy
bought some stuff in a Walmart in Chicago.

That was someone using YOUR card. The OP says someone got a CC using his
personal info. Recall that the topic is how the FAA made his peersonal info
available. Yet, virtually NO CC companies will give a CC without a SSN.

So, it can happen- without reading the whole thread, did you call your
credit card company and dispute the charges?

quietguy wrote:
I've just received a "past due" invoice for the purchase of 250
gallons of Jet A from an FBO a thousand miles away on 20 May. The
invoice includes my name and address and the N-number of my airplane.
The trouble is: I'm not a jet pilot; haven't been to that city in
thirty years; the airplane with that N-number is still a-building in
my garage and it won't burn kerosene when it flies, anyway.


The airplane database is public knowledge. Use a corporation if
you want anonymity.

The pilot database on the other hand is supposedly protected by
the privacy act. However, the FAA has been in substantial violation
of federal law by now letting people FULLY opt out of the thing and
by putting information (medical certification) on there that they
were never authorized to do.

I'm within a few months of starting a federal lawsuit on this one.

C J Campbell wrote:

If the FBO pursued its claim against you, you would be able to sue them
for defamation,

Defamation? Sending you a bill is not defamation, even if they
intentionally sent it to you knowing you weren't responsible for it.

claim damages for fraud,

What fraud?

? and possibly press criminal
charges for conspiracy to defraud you.

Conspiracy to do what?

You need to get your legal theory from someone other than judge judy.