Headset recommendation

On Aug 8, 6:32 pm, "Russ and/or Martha Oppenheim"
wrote:
I've decided to upgrade my old Telex headset, and have narrowed my choices
to the Bose X or the David Clark X11. Any comments, positive or negative,
about either of these two headsets? Thanks.

Martha

Order one of each from somebody that will permit 30-day returns
without a restocking fee.

Fly 2 hours out with brand A, back with B.
Then fly 2 hours our with B, return with A.

My favorite right now is the non-ANR Clarity Aloft in-ear set.
Feather light, no head pressure, motor noise just a light hum. Much
more comfortable than my LS 3Gs and, in my perception, quieter. Also,
ANR sets are really poor when the batteries die. Replacement isn't a
big deal but sometimes in IMC things get really busy.

Paul kgyy wrote:

Order one of each from somebody that will permit 30-day returns
without a restocking fee.

Fly 2 hours out with brand A, back with B.
Then fly 2 hours our with B, return with A.

Excellent suggestion.

Replacement isn't a
big deal but sometimes in IMC things get really busy.

Of course, some headsets provide quite a warning that the batteries are
in need of replacement. maybe as long as 10 hours.

Order one of each from somebody that will permit 30-day returns
without a restocking fee.

And you wonder why everybody is going to restocking or no refund freight?
Crap like this. Keep it up, fellers, and we'll ALL be going to restocking
fees.



My favorite right now is the non-ANR Clarity Aloft in-ear set.


We gave them the "best of the new stuff at Oshkosh" award at our forum this
year. Very impressive. I did a quick google and didn't come up with any
other in-ears, although I saw another one at the show that didn't have quite
the attenuation numbers of the Clarity.

Jim

RST Engineering wrote:
Order one of each from somebody that will permit 30-day returns
without a restocking fee.

And you wonder why everybody is going to restocking or no refund freight?
Crap like this. Keep it up, fellers, and we'll ALL be going to restocking
fees.

BS. "Crap" is when someone does this with no intention of keeping the
item, such as "renting" an expensive item for free. For example, fully
intending to use an expensive electronic calculator for a single test,
then returning it for a full refund, is just plain wrong

Headsets are expensive and subject to personal and very subjective
judgement. They need to be tried in actual conditions on the actual
user's head. Any seller of headsets needs to recognize this, provide
demo rentals, or not sell headsets. If a certain model keeps coming
back, the retailer needs to take that up with the manufacturer, and
possibly not carry that model.

Bose feels comfortable with it's own product enough to do it from the
factory. There's is absolutely no way I would have bought a Bose X
without a 30 return policy. I fact, I did return a set of QC3's to them
based on price to perceived value.

"Thomas Borchert" wrote:

Also, right now, I'd definitely wait until September to also try the new
Lightspeed Zulu, which clearly aims to be a "Bose killer".

I tried one at OSH and strongly disliked it - way too trebly with occasional
high freq. feedback sounds.

I was sitting in LS's little demonstrator booth and complaining to the rep.
about the sound. I must have been speaking loudly, because he began to look
quite uncomfortable and quickly retrieved the headset from me.

It's hard to believe Lightspeed would release something like that. Perhaps
that one was defective; I didn't stick around to try another one.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

In a previous article, "RST Engineering" said:
We gave them the "best of the new stuff at Oshkosh" award at our forum this
year. Very impressive. I did a quick google and didn't come up with any
other in-ears, although I saw another one at the show that didn't have quite
the attenuation numbers of the Clarity.

There are three in-ears that I know of:
Clarity Aloft
Lightspeed Mach 1
Quiet Technologies HALO

I have the HALO, which are about $100 cheaper than the others, and while I
wear it in preference to my Dave Clarks with the Headsets Inc ANR kit
because they're quieter and more comfortable, it has a few annoyances:
- The microphone isn't very good. I frequently have to made sure it's
pointing EXACTLY the right way or ATC complains they can't hear me at
all.
- The web site doesn't give you any way to order replacement ear plugs.
Fortunately, the plugs are from audiologist equipment (E.A.R. Link), and
I managed to order a huge supply of them off eBay from "audimetrics
califormia" for $25.
If I had to do it again, I'd probably buy one of the other brands.

--
Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/
Contracting is a good, even honourable, way to earn a living, as long as
one hides the secret that it's possible to pave one's patio with
gold bars. -- Dave, ex-BA

B A R R Y wrote:
RST Engineering wrote:
Order one of each from somebody that will permit 30-day returns
without a restocking fee.

And you wonder why everybody is going to restocking or no refund
freight? Crap like this. Keep it up, fellers, and we'll ALL be
going to restocking fees.

BS. "Crap" is when someone does this with no intention of keeping the
item, such as "renting" an expensive item for free.

But that is exactly what you are doing with one of the sets. I know I don't
want to get the set you sent back. Who knows where you've been?

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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RST Engineering wrote:
Order one of each from somebody that will permit 30-day returns
without a restocking fee.

And you wonder why everybody is going to restocking or no refund freight?
Crap like this. Keep it up, fellers, and we'll ALL be going to
restocking fees.

BS. "Crap" is when someone does this with no intention of keeping the
item, such as "renting" an expensive item for free. For example, fully
intending to use an expensive electronic calculator for a single test,
then returning it for a full refund, is just plain wrong

I'm not going to get into a ****ing match with you over this. In my opinion
it is like calling half a dozen motels in a town, making a reservation at
each, and then cancelling all but one at nearly the last minute when you get
there and look them all over. Ever have that happen to you, Jay??? Does it
make you increase your overall prices to make up for the reservation you
turned down for lack of space and then have an empty room for the night?

Remember, the OP said ORDER, not go down to the local shop and BORROW for a
day. This implies that you are going to have them sent to you and you will
send back one or both if you don't like them. Having run a mail order
business for the last 35 years, I can tell you to the penny how much extra
we charge everybody as overhead for ... crap ... like this.

And remember, an ethical mail order dealer cannot sell as "new" something
that had been placed in service for a month, not to mention having to worry
about (as you say) something as personal as a headset that is in close
contact with your body. Ever try and sell slightly used underwear?



Headsets are expensive and subject to personal and very subjective
judgement. They need to be tried in actual conditions on the actual
user's head. Any seller of headsets needs to recognize this, provide demo
rentals, or not sell headsets. If a certain model keeps coming back, the
retailer needs to take that up with the manufacturer, and possibly not
carry that model.

Please do not dictate other people's business practices. You can say that
if YOU were a seller of headsets that this is how you would do it, but don't
say "Any seller" needs to do this. You are not the judge and jury of how
headsets are sold.

I do agree that the manufacturer, if they are interested in the "sample"
market, might dedicate half a dozen of a particular model and agree to
support their dealers in the field with a "try it" headset program. That
beats the hell out of having every dealer in the world being a sample
merchandise source.


Bose feels comfortable with it's own product enough to do it from the
factory. There's is absolutely no way I would have bought a Bose X
without a 30 return policy. I fact, I did return a set of QC3's to them
based on price to perceived value.

Do you suspect that is why Bose is the most expensive line of headsets on
the market? We all buy parts from the same source(s); it is the overhead
that kills you in something like this.

Jim

Paul kgyy wrote:
On Aug 8, 6:32 pm, "Russ and/or Martha Oppenheim"
wrote:

...
My favorite right now is the non-ANR Clarity Aloft in-ear set.
Feather light, no head pressure, motor noise just a light hum. Much
more comfortable than my LS 3Gs and, in my perception, quieter. Also,
ANR sets are really poor when the batteries die. Replacement isn't a
big deal but sometimes in IMC things get really busy.


You too?! I bought one after Jim's forum and I really like it. I was
really ****ed at Beyer when I tried their headset with a rather round
earpiece and said "can't wear earring with this one" and he rolled his
eyes at me. NOT a good way to attract business! The Clarity Aloft is
not only light, but you can easily wear it with earrings :-}. The only
downside is the in the ear part which means you really need some other
headset type for visitors, etc. We bought one Clarity Aloft, but when
they figured out we both fly and needed different size ear pieces they
threw in 5 sets of the small ones for me and left the original 6 sets
for Ron. I like it!

Margy

"Margy Natalie" wrote

We bought one Clarity Aloft, but when they figured out we both fly and
needed different size ear pieces they threw in 5 sets of the small ones
for me and left the original 6 sets for Ron. I like it!

You just bought the Bose X, what, in '04 and now you have already moved on?

You can send me you unused Bose to me, and I will give them a good home!
;-))
--
Jim in NC