Piloting is the second most dangerous occupation

Mxsmanic wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes:

Well.......I'll tell ya; those "buses with wings" require a wee bit of
talent to fly on occasion.

On increasingly rare occasions. Commercial pilots in the U.S. train a great
deal for events that are more and more unlikely to happen. I'm not saying
that's a bad idea, but from an economic standpoint it means that, to an ever
increasing extent, the bulk of their skills aren't really required to do the
job. On a typical, normal, flight, it would be possible for pilots with far
less training to do the work--which in turn means that the job is worth less
money.

Even if the U.S. has not compromised on the standards it imposes for
commercial pilots, other nations are not so strict.

In fact, the survivors of United 232 send a Christmas card to Al Haynes
every year just to tell him that :-))

The exception does not invalidate the rule.

And firemen on a typical, normal day spend most of their time cooking
chile and washing their trucks.

And police on a typical, normal day spend most of their time cruising
around doing nothing in particular.

And life guards on a typical, normal day spend most of their time working
on their tan.

So what?


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Jim Pennino

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Mxsmanic wrote:
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The BLS numbers are updated every year about this time.

The CNN article is just the usual breathless media hype with no
analysis of the data and an eye catching conclusion.

I didn't really see much in the way of hype in the article.

You don't "see" much of anything that I can tell.

You also have to keep in mind that the total number of work-related
fatalities for the year was 5,702, which is everyone not in the
military, while the number of traffic deaths was 42,642.

So, on the average, you are about 7.5 times more likely go get
killed driving to and from the airport as you are flying.

You've completely overlooked the number of flights versus the number of car
trips. You can't really criticize CNN when you are so much more careless
yourself.

Ignorant slut, read it again, this time for comprehension.

5,702 is the total number of people that died on the job in the US
in a year. All jobs. All occupations.

The last word of the sentence was a typo, it should have "on the job".

If you were able to comprehend English, you would have noticed that.

And, if you concider there are about 300,000,000 people in the US,
your chance of getting killed in traffic is about 1 in 7000.

See above. You're essentially pulling numbers out of a hat, even as you
criticize the news media for citing statistics.

Yeah, a hat called the US Census Bureau, the Bueau of Labor Statistics,
and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

And you are twisting words again.

I have no problem with media for citing statistics, though the statistics
are seldom in context, I have a problem with media editorializing on
statistics with no analysis.

But since you have reading comprehension problems with English, it is
no surprise you came to that conclusion.


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Jim Pennino

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A movie costs $12 and lasts about 90 minutes.

A lotto ticket costs $1 and I can daydream about the planes I'd buy
with $30,000.000 for days.

It's cheap entertainment.

Add the fact that it is better for your health than drinking, and it pretty
much sums up my feelings about the issue as well.

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And firemen on a typical, normal day spend most of their time cooking
chile and washing their trucks.

And police on a typical, normal day spend most of their time cruising
around doing nothing in particular.

And life guards on a typical, normal day spend most of their time working
on their tan.

So what?

All of these train and are paid specifically for the exception. Pilots are
paid to handle the normal aspects of flight, but these aspects are
increasingly automated. Eventually, pilots may work like firefighters, being
there only for the exceptions, but then they will probably be paid like
firefighters as well.

The key point is that a high level of skill is less and less necessary when
flying under normal conditions, and this encourages employers to pay less and
less for pilots.

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

And firemen on a typical, normal day spend most of their time cooking
chile and washing their trucks.

And police on a typical, normal day spend most of their time cruising
around doing nothing in particular.

And life guards on a typical, normal day spend most of their time working
on their tan.

So what?

All of these train and are paid specifically for the exception. Pilots are
paid to handle the normal aspects of flight, but these aspects are
increasingly automated. Eventually, pilots may work like firefighters, being
there only for the exceptions, but then they will probably be paid like
firefighters as well.

You haven't a clue what pilots are trained for.

The key point is that a high level of skill is less and less necessary when
flying under normal conditions, and this encourages employers to pay less and
less for pilots.

No, the key point is you are a babbling ass.


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Jim Pennino

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On Aug 11, 6:55 pm, Judah wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote :

According to numbers released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics and CNN,
being a pilot is the second most dangerous occupation in the country
(being a fisherman is in first place).

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, on page 5 of the report he

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf

"Aircraft Pilots and Flight Engineers" appears second on a list of "Selected
Occupations with high fatality rates, 2006", having 87.8 fatalities per
100,000 employed, and 101 total fatalities in 2006.


What do they mean by "Selected"?

"Gattman" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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The general public should continue to believe professional flying
is dangerous, and the danger should equate to better pay for
professional pilots.

Unfortunately, since the general public is aboard the same aircraft
as the pilots, danger for pilots equates to danger for passengers,

MX reflects the subset of public ignorance that thinks that all pilots
carry passengers.

Lessee, I'm prediciting a response that relegates those who don't to second
string airlines and cropdusting.

Wonder if he knows that Fedex and UPS are the most sought after jobs in the
biz.



"Since the general public is aboard the same aircraft as the pilots."
That's funny...I wonder how much of the "general public" rode along in
the last civilian test flight, aerobatic performance or crop-dusting
operation.

-c

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Gattman writes:

MX reflects the subset of public ignorance that thinks that all
pilots carry passengers.

"Since the general public is aboard the same aircraft as the pilots."
That's funny...I wonder how much of the "general public" rode along
in the last civilian test flight, aerobatic performance or
crop-dusting operation.

The public that you ridicule might just pull your license to fly any
day, if it doesn't like the numbers that it sees.


Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahhwhahwhah whahwhahhwhahwha!


God you're an idiot.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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And firemen on a typical, normal day spend most of their time cooking
chile and washing their trucks.

And police on a typical, normal day spend most of their time cruising
around doing nothing in particular.

And life guards on a typical, normal day spend most of their time
working on their tan.

So what?

All of these train and are paid specifically for the exception.
Pilots are paid to handle the normal aspects of flight,


no, we're not.

but these
aspects are increasingly automated. Eventually, pilots may work like
firefighters, being there only for the exceptions, but then they will
probably be paid like firefighters as well.

The key point is that a high level of skill is less and less necessary
when flying under normal conditions, and this encourages employers to
pay less and less for pilots.



Actually, I've nevr been paid more..

So, wrong again.


Bertie

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From: Bertie the Bunyip

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Unfortunately, since the general public is aboard the same aircraft as
the pilots, danger for pilots equates to danger for passengers,


Then they should **** off and take the bus

Gawd, I wish half of them would.
And while they're doing a "weapons and explosives" check, I wish
they'd add a "Did you take a shower this week?" check.


Eww,

That god for the door.


Bertie