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Martin writes:

How was the average mental age of the US population computed?

The average IQ is computed by administering a test to a large and
representative sample of the population on which the test will ultimately be
used, and then assigning 100 (an average IQ score, by definition) to the
average raw score obtained by the sample cohort on the test. The scoring is
then further normalized to ensure that a constant deviation in IQ score
represents a constant percentile. Usually 15 is the width of an SD in IQ
points, such that 130 represents two standard deviations above the mean in
scoring, or the 98th percentile.

Martin wrote in
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:37:03 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
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Martin wrote in
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:26:41 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Martin wrote in
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:58:02 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Doug Semler writes:

How the **** would you demonstrate that you have the "valuable
predictor" of intelligence without a group, such as Mensa, that
filters applicants based on intelligence, dip****?

An IQ test would suffice. However, intelligence is usually
fairly obvious.


And yet, even people of moderate intelligence can understand
bernoulli

The average IQ of US enlisted men tested during WW1 was that of
a12 year old.

IQ isn't really age related. though it is true that capacity
increases with age, the measurement is usually like/like otherwise
it's kind of pointless. So it would be fairer to say that they had a
sub-normal IQ of say ,less than 85 than to say they had the IQ of a
12 year old. It'd be a bit like comparing the horsepower of a modern
airplane to the horsepower of a airplane from 75 years ago. In
general, airplanes of 75 years ago had smaller engines, but you
could b talking about a mustang. IOW, you're not neccesarily
comparing like with like.

OK I dug around and Alfred Binet’s intelligence, or IQ, test
used on enlisted men also included an assessment of mental age. I
guess it should have been "The average mental age of US enlisted men
tested during WW1 was that of a 12 year old".

That doesn't make a lot of sense either but ...


Well, it makes sense to me. Pretty much what I was trying to say
earlier.

How was the average mental age of the US population computed? The
biggest sample ever measured at that time was of US enlisted men. Was
the mental age that of a 12 year old French child?

All pretty much the same, actually. Leaving aside minor abberations in
race and culture (and we don't want to start one of those arguments
here, believe me) The difference in 12 year olds who have had similar
levels of stimulation is negligable.
No doubt they had some sort of idea of what a 12 year old was capable of
at the time and used that as a yardstick.
Most likely the way the mental age was measured back then was some sort
of simple literacy/numeracy test.
Even today's SATs aren't a lot different from that kind of measurement.
SATs aren't an IQ measurement, though they would reflect an IQ, they'd
be heavily influenced by the education of the person taking the test,
wheras an IQ test should pretty much eliminate hat factor.
IOW IQ is a measuement of potential. An analogy might be that IQ is like
the cubic inches


To this day, most newspapers use an eight grade reading level as a
standard in order to make their papers accessible to as many as
possible.

Most tabloids use a fourth grade reading level as a standard for obvious
reasons.



Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Martin writes:

OK I dug around and Alfred Binet’s intelligence, or IQ, test used
on enlisted men also included an assessment of mental age. I guess it
should have been "The average mental age of US enlisted men tested
during WW1 was that of a 12 year old".

That doesn't make a lot of sense either but ...

It doesn't, and modern tests are usually normed differently, although
the concept of "mental age" is still used sometimes for scoring.

In reality, a 25-year-old is no more intelligent than a 12-year-old.
The only differences are in experience and acquired knowledge,
although both obviously have quite an influence on overall competency
in life.


Which goes a long way towards explaining your bankruptcy and genral failur
at, well, everything


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

IQ isn't really age related. though it is true that capacity
increases with age, the measurement is usually like/like otherwise
it's kind of pointless.

Capacity does not increase or decrease significantly with age.


IOW you were as big an idiot then as now.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Martin writes:

The average IQ of US enlisted men tested during WW1 was that of a12
year old.

IQ does not vary with age,


Actually it does, nitwit

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

That I an believe. But it would be pitched towards a 12 year old
education/maturity level, not IQ, I would imagine.

Actually, there are good reasons for developing materials for lower
IQs.

The average IQ is 100. Half the population is above that ... and half
of it is below. If you develop material that requires an average IQ
to understand, half of the population will not understand it. For
this reason, it makes more sense to develop material for a lower
target IQ, so that a much larger percentage of the population can
handle it. If you target an IQ of 70, for example, about 98% of the
population will be able to understand it. This is the reason for
"dumbing down" materials to the lowest common denominator (within
reason).

In commercial endeavors, you dumb down your advertising and other
materials until everyone with the money to buy your product or service
can understand it. In politics, you dumb down your rhetoric and
policy until everyone with the ability to vote can understand it.



Wow, you really are a geniius. I have a six month old puppy who could
figure that out. And he's house broken! More than we could say for you.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Martin writes:

I quoted a recent book by an expert ( MX/Mixi incognito?) on IQ
tests. It didn't make much sense to me either. It went on to say that
ever since WW1 US advertising has been aimed at 12 year olds.

IQ tests are widely misunderstood, and many "experts" misrepresent
them in order to further their own personal agendas.



Like you do her, you mean.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
Martin writes:

The average IQ of US enlisted men tested during WW1 was that of a12
year old.

IQ does not vary with age, so "the IQ of a twelve-year-old" has no
meaning.

Sure it has meaning. It just isn't very persice terminology. IQs take age
into account. If I say, "MX has the IQ of a rat's ass" what I am really
saying is, "MX has the IQ of an average rat's ass."

The same goes for saying someone has the IQ of a 12 year old.

On Aug 17, 6:59 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote :

Doug Semler writes:

Explain, to me, why I am 6'3, 190 lbs?

Perhaps you don't eat much.

Wow, maybe you are a genius after all.

Nope, he's wrong. My average daily caloric intake is 4500. He
snipped out the part that gave him quite a hint...

(p.s. my girlfriend HATES me for not gaining weight g)

Doug Semler wrote in
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On Aug 17, 6:59 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote
:

Doug Semler writes:

Explain, to me, why I am 6'3, 190 lbs?

Perhaps you don't eat much.

Wow, maybe you are a genius after all.

Nope, he's wrong. My average daily caloric intake is 4500. He
snipped out the part that gave him quite a hint...

(p.s. my girlfriend HATES me for not gaining weight g)



So do I


Bertie