Bonanza crash caught on video

Thanks...

Jim

E-mail coming to you on back channels, Jim. I'll include "Digitize Video
Tape" in the subject line.
--
Jim in NC

"Doug Semler" wrote in message
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"Newps" wrote in message
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RST Engineering wrote:

I don't know how to digitize VHS video tape, but if anybody has the
setup to do it, I'll make it available to anybody that wants it.


The easiest way is to get a digital camcorder and plug that into your A/V
out on the VCR and record the tape as you play it. The camcorder does
all the work. After you've recorded it onto the camcorder you now have
it in digital form and can feed it into a computer or DVD recorder.


Wow. Why don't you suggest he converts it to BetaMax while he's at it?
Better suggestion, hook the VCR directly to a video capture card on a
computer or a DVD recorder...Not all camcorders are "digital" you know.

He said "get" one, and I don't think they sell any analog camcorders
anymore.

"Matt Barrow" wrote

He said "get" one, and I don't think they sell any analog camcorders
anymore.

Are you kidding? They make tons of them, every day.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans writes:

Perhaps, but the motivation is much different, and much more justified.
They are trying to understand, and the news people are trying to..... to...

Many people in this newsgroup are trying to win, not to understand.

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Some of the worst accidents I've witnessed were caused by the driver
simply looking at his passenger while talking to them. (One of my pet
peeves, BTW. I had a coworker who simply HAD to look at you while
talking, even while driving in Chicago traffic. I finally refused to
ride with him.)

I have a theory that this behavior is responsible for why some people have
such a hard time talking on a cell phone while they are driving.

The human mind takes in many factors while carrying on a conversation.
Facial expressions, body language, a bit of lip reading to make the
conversation even clearer to perceive.

Take that all away by talking on the cell phone, and you have a brain that
is trying so hard to fill in the blanks, and imagine how the other person is
reacting, that it has a difficult time thinking about the driving, too.

You (and most people) can drive down the road and talk to someone very
safely, without looking at them, except for perhaps seeing the other person
out of the corner of the eye, or a quick glance at key points in the
conversation.

Take that away, and the person automatically goes into stupid driver on the
phone, as the brain tries to make the conversation #1 on the processor
usage! g
--
Jim in NC

"Jay Honeck" wrote

We don't have a formal "If the runway is 71% gone we'll abort" rule,
but if any of the five parameters (listed above) are not nominal, we
abort.

It might be a good idea to think about adding some type of abort limit, such
as the 71% rule, even with the other checks you do.

The video sure has given me something to chew on. I think the spooky thing
is that the whole takeoff looks so normal, right up to the part the wings
start to wobble, and it falls in the dumpster. Most other videos I have
seen, such as the failed takeoff in (where, Columbia, or something) look
like problems, much, much sooner.
--
Jim in NC

"RST Engineering" wrote

As the survivor of two engine failures, one accident, one glider landing,
the thing I took away from the first one is that once the engine fails,
hoping it will come back at the last instant is the last thing you want to
do. If the landing is inevitable, keep that damned double-bladed sword up
front from making things worse. When it gets down to a couple of hundred
feet, chop the power, kill the mixture, turn the mags off and let the
sucker stop.

Not sure if there was time to do that in this case, but I suppose if he had
thought "really fast" he could have perhaps done that.

Looks to me like that prop turning at 50% power or so is what inverted
this poor bugger once it dug into that hillside.

Hard to say for sure, but it is certainly possible.

Remember, to the engine it matters little whether it is the propeller or
the airframe that turns. Stop one and the other will continue to rotate.

Yep. Plus, if the engine has been shut off just for a couple seconds, it
could cool enough that there are fewer hot sources to ignite a fuel spill.
Plus, the master being off will provide fewer broken electrical bits (like
that use of correct technical nomenclature? g ) with spare electrons
running around inside them, trying to leak out! g
--
Jim in NC

"Luke Skywalker" wrote

I dont know that the data (the video and incomplete WAT data) support
any conclusion right now.

You missed my point. I admit that it is impossible to draw a conclusion,
right now.

Should pilots use prudent flying techniques? Yes. The difference
between an amateur and professional pilot is not the airplane that
they fly, but it is the method and procedures by which they fly the
airplane. All pilots should fly their aircraft within the performance
parameters of the vehicle. All pilots should use standardized
procedures and methods in their flying. All pilots should have
"benchmarks" which measure performance of the vehicle and trigger
alternate scenarios.

That all goes without saying.

But otherwise right now there are no real lessons to be learned from
the video tape. .

I DO dissagree with that. The lesson is to keep in mind that one, or some,
or all of the things I mentioned need to be kept at the front of your mind,
and even though they should be, they might not be fresh in your mind. Any
of them could ruin your day, in a big way.

It all does not matter, from what point of view you choose to view learning
from this accident. It may help some, it may not help anyone. To each his
own. Everyone is entitled to their own views, and opinions, and that's fine
with me.

Over and out.
--
Jim in NC

"Newps" wrote in message
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Doug Semler wrote:




Wow. Why don't you suggest he converts it to BetaMax while he's at it?
Better suggestion, hook the VCR directly to a video capture card on a
computer or a DVD recorder...Not all camcorders are "digital" you know.


That's ridiculous. The VCR out is analog. If you've ever had your
computer convert analog video to digital you know how long the process
takes. And how many people have an analog video capture card in their PC?
With a digital camcorder you'll need a firewire card, commonly known as an
IEEE 1394. Lots of computers have those as they serve other purposes.
The digital camcorder, and they're all digital nowadays, does the
converting on the fly.


I do it all the time, on a 1.7Ghz machine with a $120 video capture card
with a hardware encoder. It takes 3 seconds longer than it does to play the
source being digitized. Digitizing a 10 minute tape would take me 10
minutes 3 seconds direct to computer. Longer if you go to the cam corder
first. No matter how you slice it, the digitizing isn't the time consuming
part, it's the playback of the analog source

I question the recommendation to "get" a digital camcorder for $400 (those
with line-in recording functions) when a $100 video capture card (with
hardware encoder *and* editing software) would be better tools for the
job...

--
Doug Semler, MCPD
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"Newps" wrote in message
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Doug Semler wrote:




Wow. Why don't you suggest he converts it to BetaMax while he's at it?
Better suggestion, hook the VCR directly to a video capture card on a
computer or a DVD recorder...Not all camcorders are "digital" you know.


That's ridiculous. The VCR out is analog. If you've ever had your
computer convert analog video to digital you know how long the process
takes. And how many people have an analog video capture card in their PC?
With a digital camcorder you'll need a firewire card, commonly known as an
IEEE 1394.

Old stuff -- the USB2 ports are ubiquitous and faster then 1394.