You mean I have to TALK to ATC? - long

In a previous article, Mxsmanic said:
Did you fly offline or did you use a network such as VATSIM? VATSIM is
extremely useful for gaining experience with radio communication, if you're
nervous about talking to ATC. The built-in ATC in MSFS is rather predictable
and inflexible, but the online ATC is essentially like real life.

How the **** would you know?

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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Jay Honeck writes:

I know you probably don't mean this quite so literally, but we'd still
be flying A/N radio ranges and following light beacons with that
attitude...

GPS will be more widely used once experience has proved that it can be
trusted.

That time has long passed in the real world.

--
Jim Pennino

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Jay Honeck writes:

I know you probably don't mean this quite so literally, but we'd still
be flying A/N radio ranges and following light beacons with that
attitude...

GPS will be more widely used once experience has proved that it can be
trusted.


You are an idiot.
Nobody would trust you with a tricycle.

bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Jay Honeck writes:

Here we are, 13 years later, and apparently little has changed.
We've got a navigation system (GPS) that is accurate to within a
meter, and yet the entire system is still built around VORs, which is
accurate to within...a lot. (Anyone know how accurate it is to be
flying a VOR radial say, 30 miles from the VOR station? Is it a
mile? A half mile? 1000 feet? I have no idea...)

I suggest it's a case of accepting bothersome but known and
well-quantified risks rather than accepting unknown and unquantified
risks. The behavior of VORs is well understood; the potential
problems with GPS are not.

But I do know this: In the real world of (relatively unregulated) VFR
flying, GPS rules. The fact that the IFR system hasn't completed the
change-over in a decade is just another example of how glacial
progress can be in aviation.

In IFR, your life depends on the instruments;

You are an idiot.


You don't fly,

Your life doesn't depend on instruments you lying sack of ****.


Bertie

In article .com,
Jay Honeck wrote:

Interesting. I've had a similar experience where I lost one (or two)
GPS's (for reasons unknown) -- but I've never lost *both* of them.

Obviously that should read "...one (OF two) GPS's"...

I thought you carried more than 2, no?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:23:45 -0700, Jay Honeck
wrote:

How many students AREN'T training behind glass?

Well, my 17-year-old son is training in an old, clapped out Cessna
150, just like a couple of generations before him...

And a lot of current students, really!

On a side note... As an ex-newspaper guy, have your read "The Cult of
the Amateur"?

I just heard a very interesting radio interview with the author.

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:08:11 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:


You don't fly,


My personal fave is "Bankruptcy Boi."

Thanks. G

In article .com,
says...


The trip back was pretty cool. I opted to fly the VOR all the way into SYI,

I'm surprised to see that primary students are still flying VOR
radials. I thought that had gone the way of ADFs and light beacons,


And what way have those gone?
NDB's are still in widespread use, and impetus to decommission them has slowed
in recent years. They're also very handy in many situations.

As for VOR's, and VOR/DME airways,they still represent the backbone of the IFR
route system, and cannot be supplanted by random/direct routes anytime soon.

There's even talk of bringing LORAN-C back into the picture . . .

writes:

That time has long passed in the real world.

Unfortunately, no, it has not.

In article ,
"Doug Semler" wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
How many students AREN'T training behind glass?

Well, my 17-year-old son is training in an old, clapped out Cessna
150, just like a couple of generations before him...

The only thing glass in that plane is probably the electrical
insulators...



I thought you were gonna say the vacuum tubes g

The steam gauge covers, too.

I've been away from flying now for 31 years. Getting back to it in a few
weeks, lots of bookwork in my immediate future.

If I end up retraining on something with a glass cockpit, it will be the
first time I've seen one outside a magazine.