Does VFR Operation Require A High Level Of Language Proficiency?

Larry Dighera wrote in
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:10:09 -0000, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote in
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On Oct 9, 4:41 am, Larry Dighera wrote:
Does VFR Operation Require A High Level Of Language Proficiency? It
looks like some in Europe would think it might:

IAOPA WINS LANGUAGE REPRIEVE
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#196325)
The International Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association has
successfully lobbied the International Civil Aviation Organization
(ICAO) to delay by three years implementation of onerous language
proficiency rules it says would severely limit VFR flight in much
of Europe. Under the ICAO proposal, all pilots would require to
demonstrate a high level of proficiency in either English or the
language of the country in which they are flying. In an interview
with AVweb at AOPA Expo in Hartford, IAOPA General Secretary John
Sheehan said the rule makes sense for IFR operations but not for
recreational flyers. "For VFR people it doesn't make any sense,"
Sheehan said. "I don't think [VFR] requires a high level of
[language] proficiency."

Given the US's provision for NORDO VFR operations, that has probably
been in the regulations since their inception, one can only conclude
that VFR operation doesn't even require any communication at all.

Most pilots would consider NORDO to be an emergency operation.

ATC controller, Mr. McNicoll does it all the time, as does Mr. Ford. I
doubt they would concur.

All public use airports need communication.

At controlled fields, light signals are quite effective for
communications, and they require no language ability.

Flying into an airport (even a very small one) without talking could
certainly be considered careless or reckless.

For some folks, flight of any kind might qualify as careless and
reckless, but the fact is, that the CFRs permit aircraft without
electrical systems (and hence radios) to operate at public use
airports, and it routinely occurs.

I haven't the time right now to research the NTSB database, but it
would be enlightening to know how the percentage of NORADO flights
that result in being the cause of or contribute to incidents and
accidents.

Don't get me wrong. If I were flying an aircraft certified without an
electrical system, you can bet I'd have a handheld radio. But that's
just me. I'm a cautious sort; I'd have a backup handheld too.




If you're that reliant on ATC do you carry matches so you can set your
seats on fire for smoke signals?


Bertie

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Bertie

Robert M. Gary wrote:


Most pilots would consider NORDO to be an emergency operation.

I know of many pilots of both antique aircraft and gliders that would
likely disagree.

All
public use airports need communication. Flying into an airport (even a
very small one) without talking could certainly be considered careless
or reckless.

Considered careless or reckless by whom? Obviously the FAA doesn't think
so.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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Robert M. Gary writes:

Most pilots would consider NORDO to be an emergency operation.

But some wouldn't, and it's perfectly legal.

All public use airports need communication. Flying into an airport (even a
very small one) without talking could certainly be considered careless
or reckless.

It's legal and safe if done correctly (at small airports). It may not be as
flexible or prudent as having a radio, but it's allowed and it isn't careless
or reckless.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Robert M. Gary writes:

Most pilots would consider NORDO to be an emergency operation.

But some wouldn't, and it's perfectly legal.

All public use airports need communication. Flying into an airport
(even a very small one) without talking could certainly be considered
careless or reckless.

It's legal and safe if done correctly (at small airports). It may not
be as flexible or prudent as having a radio, but it's allowed and it
isn't careless or reckless.


How would you know?

You don't fly.

Never will.


bertie

"Robert M. Gary" wrote

All
public use airports need communication. Flying into an airport (even a
very small one) without talking could certainly be considered careless
or reckless.

If that statement does not deserve and need a "IMHO" on it, I don't know
what does.

Perfectly acceptable proceedures are in place for no radio operations. It
happens safely, every day.
--
Jim in NC

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On Oct 9, 3:45 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Bertie

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regular.



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On Oct 9, 11:15 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

I have flown thousands of hours of no radio ops. The place I did this
most at has had one midair over the years.

For this you are proud? Wow baby! I've flown a lot of radioless
aircraft but damn, a JRC isn't that expensive and I keep on in my bag
at all times.

-Robert

The usual answer, it depends.
Flying from farm strips, staying out of busy airspace and the like not
a problem without (good)communication.
Operating from a busy field with ground, twr, approach freq. and in
controled airspace I think having good communication is rather
important, even for VFR.

I'd agree. Some years ago I flew out of a busy Class C airport. Those
were the days when there were lots of foreign students around -
some of whom had a rather limited command of English. It sure threw a
monkey wrench into the works when one of them showed up.

David Johnson