Future in Aviation for my Son?

On Oct 11, 11:21 am, Ross wrote:

Started flying in 1970, bought plane in 1996. In between paid for homes,
raised 2 kids, owned a 21' boat (sold boat in 1996), college for both,
had vacations, etc. You did great to get one in four years out of college.

I was a twinkle in 1970

-Robert

But it's easy to see that there may be undue aviation influence in his
choice at this time in his life. If he bases his decisions on his
interest de jour, you'll probably be able to tell by his evolving
interest in gynecology. :-)

Ha -- for sure.

I think every teenage boy thinks about becoming a gynecologist, right
up to the point where he sees a Queen Latifah or Jeane Kirkpatrick,
and realizes that *they* also need to be examined...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

RST Engineering wrote:

If you go to an "aviation" school and take "aviation", you have one career
choice in one particular field. If you go into computer science, or
engineering, or physics, or chemistry, you have a whole rainbow of choices
and as others have noted, you don't have to have an "aviation" degree to fly
for a living. .


Gotta agree with this one. Aviation is a tough field to make a living if
stability is important to you. While the future looks bright for pilots
today, it may not be that way 5 years (or even 2 years) from now. The field
tends to go through never ending boom/bust cycles.

I know a lot of folks that work in various aspects of of the field. From
airline pilots to engineers that design engines and avionics. The pilots
are most exposed to the fluctuations in the industry, but it does eventually
filter down even to the management and engineering professions as well. Of
all those groups, the engineers tend to have the most flexibility when times
get tough in the industry.

Having a degree that does not tie you to an industry that is as unstable as
commercial aviation is a plus.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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On Oct 10, 7:07 pm, "Tom Conner" wrote:

Ha, ha. Very funny. Become an engineer and watch your job be out-sourced by
some doofus with an MBA who doesn't know which end is up, but can run a
spreadsheet.

Funny. I just got out of a meeting where we decided to open 2 new
rec's for C++ or Java programmers near Sacramento. We budgeted $5K for
visa sponsorship since we know we will get very few applications from
individuals who already have a right to work in the U.S. This is
without listing salery in the ads. Again, its very, very hard to
recruit software engineers in the states.
I've never seen a large savings from our team in India. The main
reason we have an office in India is simply because its easier to get
applicants there.

-Robert

Tom Conner wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Oct 10, 6:24 pm, Jay Honeck wrote:

As many of you know, my son is taking flight lessons. He's past solo,
and into his cross-country flights.

He's a senior in high school, and is wondering what to do with the
rest of his life. His initial aim has been going into engineering,
but has decided that math is not something he truly enjoys. (Although
he's good at it -- far, far more advanced than I am.)

Become an Engineer and then buy his own plane.



Ha, ha. Very funny. Become an engineer and watch your job be out-sourced by
some doofus with an MBA who doesn't know which end is up, but can run a
spreadsheet.


Become an MBA and then a CEO. Bugger up a company and lose lots of
money, and the get paid a ****load of cash to leave. If I ever go back
to college, I would study for an MBA.

James.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:10:54 -0400, James
wrote:

Become an MBA and then a CEO. Bugger up a company and lose lots of
money, and the get paid a ****load of cash to leave. If I ever go back
to college, I would study for an MBA.

That would make some sense. Nobody trusts a fresh MBA. You gotta
have some real chops from having worked at actually producing
something before you got the MBA. OTOH, last time I was out of work
(2001-3), the most demollished guys I saw at the unemployment office
every week were the middle managers with MBAs and lots of experience
holding meetings.

Something I think the other old engineers here would agree with is
that the job market is cycllical and you need to be alert to when any
given specialty is about to tank. You have to be able to re-invent
yourself over and over -- something that takes a good basic grounding
in the fundamentals and some staying current with what's going on
outside your specialty.

Don

Larry Dighera wrote:

But it's easy to see that there may be undue aviation influence in
his choice at this time in his life.

If he's working at it and not being spoon fed?

It's just as easy for a kid to rebel against what his parents do,
and to go his own way. It happens all the time.

Having parents or others who are at least one generation ahead of
you and who share the same interests is a potentially very valuable
resource.

Good luck and have fun.

What about military flying, Jay? Helo's as a WO would get him in the air
the fastest....or go get a Art History Degree (because we all know it takes
a degree to fly a plane) and go in as an officer?

Just a thought (and my dream up until my Senior year in High School when the
Doc said "read me the bottom line".....)

jf


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
As many of you know, my son is taking flight lessons. He's past solo,
and into his cross-country flights.

He's a senior in high school, and is wondering what to do with the
rest of his life. His initial aim has been going into engineering,
but has decided that math is not something he truly enjoys. (Although
he's good at it -- far, far more advanced than I am.)

He's now toying with the idea of a career in aviation. Possibilities
include:

- Commercial pilot
- Helicopter pilot
- Something on the business side of aviation.

I need some first-hand experiences, please. Hours worked, what to
expect at the entry level, how much college does your job require,
types of skills required, etc. What kinds of careers are out there
right now? What sort of college degree should a 17 year old pursue in
order to come out the other end with a successful job in aviation?

We're filling out applications for colleges, and his choice of
colleges will be steered by his decisions. Your input is very much
appreciated!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
Agree, although I wish it were otherwise. I changed my major several
times, and ended up taking 5 years to graduate as a result. (I was also
working 35 hours per week, throughout college). Mary, on the other
hand, stayed focussed on her major, thus saving big bucks.


1977-1980 college costs ....$2,000/year average? At $5/hr you could make
that ALL in a summer, with a little extra to burn - plus, no DEBT! Today,
not so easy.

Might I suggest Brian and Christine adopting the boy. Free tuition.

"Joe, you taking the old man's plane up today?"
"Yup."

"You enjoy flying the Pathfinder?"
"Pathfinder? You mean the RV-10. ...Zoom, zoom!"


Montblack g

Richard Riley wrote in
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:18:37 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Richard Riley wrote in
m:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:45:12 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip

wrote:

"RST Engineering" wrote in
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Engineering is the art of making what you want from stuff you can
get.

Having said that, I didn't dislike math, I HATED math. I STILL
hate
math the way it is taught. It is just one of those gates that you
have to walk through to get the degree. I *teach* math, and as
God
is my witness, I try and make it something that is real and
understandable.




So you can explain why, if I take the time it takes for something in
my hand to hit th e floor and divide that time ad infinitum, the
thing
still hits the floor?

The difference between physics and engineering.

In Physics it takes forever to fall. In engineering it gets close
enough for engineering purposes.


Fair enough, but I already knew that!

Any idea where I can get some massless ropes and frictionless pullies?



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Bertie