UAV Crash in Arizona (Long)

and how about this.....

"7/6/2005 - LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. (AFPN) -- The loss of control
of an MQ-1 Predator unmanned aerial vehicle caused it to run out of
fuel and crash Jan. 14 at a forward-deployed location in Southwest
Asia, Air Force officials said July 6.

The $3.5 million Predator, which belonged to the 15th Reconnaissance
Squadron at Nellis Air Force Base, Nev., was destroyed upon impact.
There were no injuries, fatalities or damages to other people,
property or equipment.

The incident occurred when the pilot and sensor operator experienced a
malfunction with their computer control system. Both control stations
were rebooted, but communication links with the aircraft were lost and
never regained. The accident happened about eight and a half hours
into the mission, with the aircraft flying uncontrolled and crashing
about 21 hours into the flight.

According to the Air Combat Command Accident Investigation Board
report, the primary factors leading to the loss of control of the
aircraft and the crash included hardware failure and the aircrew
following incorrect rebooting procedures. (Courtesy of ACC News
Service)"

Malfunction with control system.... communication links lost.....

.....sounds familiar?

Mike

Mike the Strike wrote:

Maybe that's why over 25% of Predators in the Iraq and Afghan theaters
are lost to pilot error? That's about double the rate for enemy fire.

It would be interesting to know the crash rate of UAVs per 1000 hours of
air time compared with manned aircraft and even more interested to see
the data classified by failure type.

I have a feeling that a lot of this crashery is due to the "Not Sitting
There" syndrome - if you're in the plane you pat attention to what
you're doing but if its a UAV who cares if it crashes - just launch another.

Declared interest: I want to know more about the reliability of
otherwise of UAV control systems because it seems likely that there's a
link between current transponder consultation in the UK and the future
appearance of swarms of UAVs in class G airspace. Why else would they
want the transponders on balloons and microlights as well as all GA
aircraft and gliders?


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

Because it had no airworthiness certificate - we don't let real people
(even the more expendable military) fly in those. If the
airworthiness couldn't be guaranteed, we wouldn't normally let an
aircraft fly.


Mike.. the military has a lot of aircraft flying with people in them, that
do not have an airworthiness certificate.

I have 1500 hrs in one.

BT

On Oct 20, 9:42 pm, "BT" wrote:
Because it had no airworthiness certificate - we don't let real people
(even the more expendable military) fly in those. If the
airworthiness couldn't be guaranteed, we wouldn't normally let an
aircraft fly.

Mike.. the military has a lot of aircraft flying with people in them, that
do not have an airworthiness certificate.

I have 1500 hrs in one.

BT

OK - I suppose we wouldn't expect a civilian certificate from the
FAA. But I assume the military have some other procedure to make sure
that millions of dollars of our assets aren't scattered over
hillsides?

I did a consulting job some years ago with the military and the
procedures were almost painful. Safety was an over-riding concern and
it slowed things up considerably.

Mike

I suspect that the number of Americans in Arizona murdered
by illegal
aliens this past month is slightly more than the number
of UAV's which
have crashed this year. The amount of money spent
providing free
medical care to illegal aliens would pay for quite
a few Predator factories
and salaries for the pilots who fly them. UAV crews
need to have high
quality training and experience before being deployed
to combat areas
and flying them along the Mexican and Canadian borders
makes a whole
lot more sense, to me, than flying them in Nebraska.
Since U.S.
airspace is owned by the American people I vote for
increased usage of
Predators and other UAV's along our borders and suggest
you keep your
sailplane away from them.
Also, get rid of your illegal alien indentured servants
and hire American
employees.

OK - I suppose we wouldn't expect a civilian certificate
from the
FAA. But I assume the military have some other procedure
to make
sure
that millions of dollars of our assets aren't scattered
over
hillsides?

I did a consulting job some years ago with the military
and the
procedures were almost painful. Safety was an over-riding
concern
and
it slowed things up considerably.

Mike

Steve Davis wrote:
I suspect that the number of Americans in Arizona murdered
by illegal aliens this past month is slightly more than the number
of UAV's which have crashed this year.

Absolutely right. Our homegrown murderers already kill plenty, and they
don't need any competition!

The amount of money spent providing free
medical care to illegal aliens would pay for quite
a few Predator factories
and salaries for the pilots who fly them.

Whether or not it is costing 1 million dollars per alien found, we must
spend this money! We can't afford not to have Predator factories and
pilots. Today they are only tracking aliens, tomorrow, the rest of us!


UAV crews
need to have high
quality training and experience before being deployed
to combat areas
and flying them along the Mexican and Canadian borders
makes a whole
lot more sense, to me, than flying them in Nebraska.

The high quality of the training provided is amply documented by the
NTSB report. Imagine the skill and daring at work as the highly paid
pilot and his instructor rebooted the operator consoles and scratched
their heads!

Since U.S.
airspace is owned by the American people I vote for
increased usage of
Predators and other UAV's along our borders and suggest
you keep your
sailplane away from them.

You must have sold yours 8^)

Also, get rid of your illegal alien indentured servants
and hire American
employees.

Yeah, leave the hiring of illegal immigrants to American corporations
where they belong!

Another loyal American...

Steve Davis wrote:

airspace is owned by the American people I vote for increased usage
of Predators and other UAV's along our borders and suggest you keep
your sailplane away from them.

It's not just sailplane pilots that are concerned about UAVs. Some of
the other owners of the airspace are plenty concerned: From the AOPA
"ePilot" bulleting (10/19):

NTSB VALIDATES AOPA'S CONCERNS ABOUT UNMANNED AIRCRAFT OPS What
standards apply to unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) design and
certification? UAV "pilot" training? Integration into the National
Airspace System? AOPA has repeatedly voiced these concerns to the
FAA. On Oct. 16, the NTSB highlighted these same concerns and issued
22 recommendations after investigating a 2006 UAV accident. Currently
no FAA certification or regulatory standards exist for UAVs operating
in the National Airspace System. AOPA believes they should be
certified to the same level of safety as piloted aircraft. Read more
on AOPA Online [http://www.aopa.org/epilot/redir.cfm?adid=13323].

UAVs are not just on the border, either. There is a NOTAM for UAV
testing still in effect at the Arlington, OR, airport, an area we
frequently fly near; fortunately, the airspace involved is relatively
small, about the same as a Class D airspace. Testing is done in other
places around the country, of course.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
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* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

I did a consulting job some years ago with the military and the
procedures were almost painful. Safety was an over-riding concern and
it slowed things up considerably.

Mike


Yes, so we don't have people and parts splattered all over the country side.

BT

At 03:54 21 October 2007, Marc Ramsey wrote:
Steve Davis wrote:
I suspect that the number of Americans in Arizona
murdered
by illegal aliens this past month is slightly more
than the number
of UAV's which have crashed this year.

Absolutely right. Our homegrown murderers already
kill plenty, and
they don't need any competition!

We're getting our felons to move to California.
If they agree to plea bargain down to 'Trespassing
on
Agricultural Land,' then their fine can be used for
a ticket
on the California Zephyr. It works pretty well and
lowers
the Amtrack subsidies.

The amount of money spent providing free
medical care to illegal aliens would pay for quite
a few Predator factories
and salaries for the pilots who fly them.

Whether or not it is costing 1 million dollars per
alien found, we must
spend this money! We can't afford not to have Predator
factories and
pilots. Today they are only tracking aliens, tomorrow,
the rest of us!

I used to have those kinds of thoughts. When I got
30 miles north of
Roswell I took off the foil hat and they went away.


UAV crews
need to have high
quality training and experience before being deployed
to combat areas
and flying them along the Mexican and Canadian borders
makes a whole
lot more sense, to me, than flying them in Nebraska.

The high quality of the training provided is amply
documented by the
NTSB report. Imagine the skill and daring at work
as the highly paid
pilot and his instructor rebooted the operator consoles
and scratched
their heads!

Or the highly trained airline pilot who forgot to lower
their flaps or took
off from the wrong runway or the GA pilot who ran out
of gas because he
forgot to check. Oops.
Yea, the UAV crashed within 12 miles of a high
rent neighborhood but i'll bet the residents are more
concerned with the
rising cost of getting their pools cleaned than getting
beaned by a UAV.

Since U.S.
airspace is owned by the American people I vote for
increased usage of
Predators and other UAV's along our borders and suggest
you keep your
sailplane away from them.

You must have sold yours 8^)

No, but I don't live near the border.

Also, get rid of your illegal alien indentured servants
and hire American
employees.

Yeah, leave the hiring of illegal immigrants to American
corporations
where they belong!

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/
0,1299,DRMN_15_5720596,00.html

Cut and paste both lines. Its an article about a defense
contractor which
recently got raided by ICE and the DCIS.

Roll on Terminator 2 & Skynet!

Why needs people to rule the world.

Great name though - Predator. Chasing you down wherever you are.