UAV Crash in Arizona (Long)

"Steve Davis" wrote in message
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I used to have those kinds of thoughts. When I got
30 miles north of
Roswell I took off the foil hat and they went away.
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When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

Steve Davis wrote:

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Also, get rid of your illegal alien indentured servants
and hire American
employees.
Yeah, leave the hiring of illegal immigrants to American
corporations
where they belong!

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/
0,1299,DRMN_15_5720596,00.html

Cut and paste both lines. Its an article about a defense
contractor which
recently got raided by ICE and the DCIS.


Three miles from my house, that caught my attention. The VP of R&D is
from China. Just speculating, but perhaps the gubument started getting
nervous about him, or the Korean CEO?

A little more info:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...723600,00.html


Shawn

On Oct 19, 10:47 pm, Mike the Strike wrote:

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Because it had no airworthiness certificate - we don't let real people
(even the more expendable military) fly in those. If the
airworthiness couldn't be guaranteed, we wouldn't normally let an
aircraft fly.

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Lets think about this. No approved type certicate, does this sound
familar? We should go to the FAA and demand all aircraft that lack
approved type certificates be grounded because they are obviously
unsafe. How many sailplanes fly under experimental certificates?
Lots. Homebuilts of course and quite a few Libelles, discuses and
LS-3s since the original owners imported them before they received
approval from the FAA. I imagine if the experimental certificates
were cancelled you could eventually get an approved type certificate
after some paperwork and maybe retrofitting some equipment required by
the ATC. Of course some of the open class ship would be out of luck
since they never received an ATC as well as others. Wouldn't it be
better to figure out what safety issues the Predator has,if any, and
campaign to have them fixed?

wrote:
Lets think about this. No approved type certicate, does this sound
familar? We should go to the FAA and demand all aircraft that lack
approved type certificates be grounded because they are obviously
unsafe. How many sailplanes fly under experimental certificates?
Lots. Homebuilts of course and quite a few Libelles, discuses and
LS-3s since the original owners imported them before they received
approval from the FAA. I imagine if the experimental certificates
were cancelled you could eventually get an approved type certificate
after some paperwork and maybe retrofitting some equipment required by
the ATC. Of course some of the open class ship would be out of luck
since they never received an ATC as well as others. Wouldn't it be
better to figure out what safety issues the Predator has,if any, and
campaign to have them fixed?

According to the NTSB report, the Predator had no airworthiness
certificate whatsoever and was flying on an FAA waiver. All of the
gliders discussed above fly with special airworthiness certificates.
The situations are simply not comparable.

Several smaller companies are having a great deal of difficulty getting
public use (law enforcement, search and rescue, etc.) airworthiness
certificates for UAVs which are in many cases no larger than your
typical model airplane. The DHS and a large defense contractor can
simply invoke "national security", which allows them to get away with
behavior that would be quite illegal for anyone else...

Marc

On Oct 21, 4:03 am, "
wrote:
Roll on Terminator 2 & Skynet!

What Skynet? I worked on Skynet 4 over 20 years ago!

Andy

And what recourse would our loved ones have against the "pilots" employed by these "defence contractors" in the name of "national security" when their glorified model aircraft has a mid-air with one of us, a GA pilot or some long-hair skidding about in his para-glider? (sorry long-hairs)
No doubt the spinners would have us in government airspace, (bull) too high or low (crap) over or near some newly invented anti-terrorist establishment. (yeah, right, how remotely desert was this housing estate?)

This is all rubbish, folks, and we need to let people know, as aviators, that the reasons do not add up to the perceived threats.

Can anyone here imagine a motorised vehicle on the freeways being sold to us in a similar way? Would that be acceptable?

No. And duh!

Get the hell out of my sky, I can't trust someone I can't sue.

Bagger

Three miles from my house, that caught my attention.
The VP of R&D
is from China. Just speculating, but perhaps the gubument
started
getting nervous about him, or the Korean CEO?

No, the Clinton administration railroaded Wen Ho Lee
to deflect
public concern from the fact that they had been allowing
a large
amount of aircraft, missile and perhaps nuclear technology
transfers
to China. After that episode, the Asian community is
very sensitive to
the possibility of knee-jerk profiling and scapegoating
by the
government. A very large percentage of engineers in
American
industry are Asian and the Wen Ho Lee episode really
pi**ed them
off. It is 'possible' however that a company which
does a lot
of very tiny, precise and tedious assembly and adhesive
work could
find that bringing a group of women over from China,
keeping them
cloistered, and shipping back any who complained about
the conditions
worked better than hiring Americans to do that work.
If a defense
contractor did this it would be a matter for both ICE
and the DCIS to
investigate.

A little more info:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/
0,1299,DRMN_15_5723600,00.html
Shawn

can
simply invoke "national security", which allows them to get away with
behavior that would be quite illegal for anyone else...

Marc

I think I have heard of this being done.

Steve
A loyal American

Steve Davis wrote:


Since U.S. airspace is owned by the American people I vote for
increased usage of Predators and other UAV's along our borders and suggest
you keep your sailplane away from them.

Sure thing, Stevie. Just let us know where these devices are. Make them
electronically, visually, or procedurally visible and/or predictable and
we will be able to avoid them. Or make the drug/alien "war" real by
deploying troops where they would do some good.



Also, get rid of your illegal alien indentured servants
and hire American employees.

Are you applying for a landscaping, roofing, paving, or domestic service
job?



Jack