$98 per barrel oil

On Nov 10, 11:49 pm, "Matt W. Barrow"
wrote:

And two or three years from now, when gas is $5 a gallon, and 100LL, if
available at all, will be $7, I'm sure he'll have some more alibi when
Shrillary and the Dem's run up the price and gas lines return with a
vengeance.- Hide quoted text -
MXMatt, How are things at the mental hospital ? I see you have been
good and earned some internet priveleges today. Good to hear from you.

On 11-Nov-07 6:11, Matt Whiting wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:
There was a national debt of 3.7 trillion in the late '70s?

Nope.

Just like the sub-prime mortgage lending debacle, our national debt
WILL collapse. It's as inevitable as sand through an hourglass.

What makes me sick is that both the Democrats and the Republicans
(formerly the "balanced budget champions" of my youth) now run up the
deficit as a matter of course, but feel it necessary to blame each
other for the problem. Actually, the only difference between the two
parties is the *reason* they run up the debt. Democrats blame the
war, Republicans blame "entitlements" -- but neither side has ever
seen a tax they didn't adore, or a spending program they wouldn't hump
dry.

I say throw them all out, and start over.

Maybe its less about the parties and the reputation attached
to them, and more about people on the top and their teams?
I read Alan Greenspan's comments about Clinton and his fiscal
discipline. There was this democratic government, making
actually profit, what a concept, and as a sideline, spoiled
its own legacy by personal misbehavior of its leader.

In a long run I always prefer the team with the eye on the
ficus, the rest is barely a sideline.

Thomas


I'm game, but it will never happen. Remember the old quote about the
fatal flaw of democracy:

Scottish professor Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1714-1778) of the University
of Edinburgh: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of
government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote
themselves largess from the public treasury.

From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates
promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result
that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always
followed by dictatorship."

And I think we are in the next to last stage outlined he
http://www.apatheticvoter.com/Articl...emocracies.htm

Nobody will vote out THEIR congress critter as then someone else would
get more of the money. Everyone wants someone else to vote out their
congress critter first.

Matt

In article , Wolfgang Schwanke
wrote:

From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates
promising the most benefits from the public treasury,

The argument is flawed because it rests on a number of wrong
assumptions.

such as?


with the result
that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always
followed by dictatorship."

The German democracy collapsed after a period of very strict fiscal
policy and fierce welfare cuts. Hitler took over a debt free government.

Note that loose fical policy is not the only possible cause of a collapse of
democracy.

Hitler took over a country desperate to overcome the humilitation of WWI

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

On Nov 7, 8:28 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
Well, boys and girls, here it comes. $4/gallon gas in America. This
will translate into $7/gallon avgas soon enough.

Our last fly-in guest at the hotel was almost two weeks ago... (And
we just had our 28th consecutive sell-out weekend, so business is
booming...)

:-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Had one had the foresight to convert their assets to Euros in 2001,
oil would be about $60, thanks Drunkya...JG

On Nov 7, 4:05 pm, Jay Honeck wrote:
Alas, Jimmy Carter had the chance to fix this problem way back in
1979...
--

Yeah, but whiney assholes like you stoped that, didncha?

In 1979 I was a sophomore at the University of Wisconsin, majoring in
English at the time. Even then, as a young, idealistic left-leaning
college student, I knew that the peanut farmer from Georgia was
screwing the pooch with Iran.

If Carter had done something -- ANYTHING -- to right the hostage
crisis, our current situation with radical Islam would be very
different. Instead, he did...worse than nothing, and 28 years later
we're facing a nuclear-armed Iran, run by the same idiots that hog-
tied our diplomats for over 440 days.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

As opposed to Stalin who ran the Siberian Suites..JG

On Nov 9, 2:56 am, Thomas Borchert
wrote:
Nomen,

no american lives at serious risk.

One might argue that the deaths at the WTC (and all the deaths that
ensued) were at least in part caused by such "risk free" US actions as
you propose.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

And Florida GA schools..JG

In article , Wolfgang Schwanke
wrote:

Bob Noel wrote in
:

In article , Wolfgang Schwanke
wrote:

From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates
promising the most benefits from the public treasury,

The argument is flawed because it rests on a number of wrong
assumptions.

such as?

1. That the majority of voters will decide on egoistic motivations over
other considerations

That does not appear to be a false assumption

2. That politicians actually do what they promise before elections

What? A politician that lies? ;-)

You don't have to listen to the lies, just look at the voting record. Very
few politicians in the USA get re-elected without bringing more and more
pork to their home districts.

3. That pro-welfare policies will always be implemented without also
rising the taxes

That is not an assumption in play here. In fact, you can count on the
taxes being raised ("for the children") to pay for all the spending and
spending and spending and ....

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Jay Honeck wrote in news:1194789238.207070.122700
@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

There was a national debt of 3.7 trillion in the late '70s?

Nope.

Just like the sub-prime mortgage lending debacle, our national debt
WILL collapse. It's as inevitable as sand through an hourglass.

What makes me sick is that both the Democrats and the Republicans
(formerly the "balanced budget champions" of my youth) now run up the
deficit as a matter of course, but feel it necessary to blame each
other for the problem.

That's not entirely true.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt



Actually, the only difference between the two
parties is the *reason* they run up the debt. Democrats blame the
war, Republicans blame "entitlements" -- but neither side has ever
seen a tax they didn't adore, or a spending program they wouldn't hump
dry.

I say throw them all out, and start over.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

The argument is flawed because it rests on a number of wrong
assumptions.

It has worked historically.


You're an idiot.


Bertie

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote
in :

Scottish professor Sir Alex Fraser Tytler (1714-1778) of the University
of Edinburgh: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of
government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote
themselves largess from the public treasury.

From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates
promising the most benefits from the public treasury,

The argument is flawed because it rests on a number of wrong
assumptions.

Such as? In any event, the trend in the USA is looking very much like
this forecast.

Matt