Moonless Night Claims Two Senior CAP Officers

"NW_Pilot" wrote in message
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Flying mountians at night with an overcast is looking for trouble!



Would you do it with a TAWS equipped GPS?

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DW

Darkwing wrote:


Would you do it with a TAWS equipped GPS?

Would you trust your life to a TAWS equipped GPS?

Instrument rules will keep you away from things that go bump in the night.
When flying VFR at night in the mountains, you have to know exactly where you
are and exactly where the granite is (at least until you've climbed high
enough).

On the occasions that I do fly night VFR in the mountains, I only do so
when I can get high enough to clear all terrain, or fly the whole route over
a highway. On climb out and descent, I stay over visible highways.

I know some pilots that are using the terrain features of their Garmin
396/496 to keep them clear of mountains at night. I think they're nuts.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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On 11/13/2007 4:01:55 PM, "JGalban via AviationKB.com" wrote:

I know some pilots that are using the terrain features of their Garmin
396/496 to keep them clear of mountains at night.

And also the terrain database of the GNS430W/530W units, too, I would
imagine.

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"NW_Pilot" wrote in message
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Flying mountians at night with an overcast is looking for trouble!



Would you do it with a TAWS equipped GPS?


I do it all the time and haven;'t hit anything yet, AFAIK



Bertie

On Nov 13, 8:45 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Denny wrote oups.com:





On Nov 13, 10:39 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Larry Dighera wrote
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Could the lack of a moon have contributed to this tragic accident?

Offhand I'd say it an impact with granite. And that's always down to
the pilot not knowing where he is.

Period.

Bertie

Damn, that hadda smart!

Long ago we had a hot shot pilot on our field that liked to hot dog
it, run the length of the runway and then do a zoom up, etc... He
went on a flying trip to South America and found a Cumulus Granitis
one scud run day...

Sam Clemens was asked, when he applied for a job as a River boat captain,
if he knew where the various sandbars and other hazards in the missisippi
were. "nope, but I know where they ain't" said he.

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And he was hired on the spot!

I refused a visual mountain search at night for a found out later to be a
false ELT. I was a Mountain Mission Pilot with CAP for some 20 odd years.
I and my squadron were punished for the refusal. "I order you to fly this
search!" No, thank you. Be happy to launch at first light.

No longer with them.

Watson

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in news:x6qdnY-
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"NW_Pilot" wrote in message
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Flying mountians at night with an overcast is looking for trouble!



Would you do it with a TAWS equipped GPS?


I do it all the time and haven;'t hit anything yet, AFAIK



Bertie

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On Nov 13, 8:45 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Denny wrote
oups.com:





On Nov 13, 10:39 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Larry Dighera wrote
:

Could the lack of a moon have contributed to this tragic
accident?

Offhand I'd say it an impact with granite. And that's always down
to the pilot not knowing where he is.

Period.

Bertie

Damn, that hadda smart!

Long ago we had a hot shot pilot on our field that liked to hot dog
it, run the length of the runway and then do a zoom up, etc... He
went on a flying trip to South America and found a Cumulus Granitis
one scud run day...

Sam Clemens was asked, when he applied for a job as a River boat
captain, if he knew where the various sandbars and other hazards in
the missisippi were. "nope, but I know where they ain't" said he.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

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And he was hired on the spot!



Yep.


That's the trick to just about any kind of flying. A lot of people focus
on the "right way to do it". Well, the fact is there is no real right
way to do anything. There are some things that are just wrong, but the
only constant truth I've seen about flying any airplane is that you are
going to **** up something during every flight. Mostly, you;re ****ing
up quite a few things at any given moment during every flight. If it;'s
not you ****ing something up, it's your crew, ATC, the manufacturer of
the airplane or whoever. Mostly it's yourself and your job, should you
wish to make it to the end of your career n the air, is to spot them and
/or operate in such a way as to keep the ****ups from killing you.
The one common thread between almost all CFIT accidents has been, at
some point close to the event if not right up to it, the crew were sure
they knew where they were. If they had questioned that notion regularly
well..


Oh damn, now I've gone and answered Matt Whitefishfaced question as well
and given him somethng to beat me with.

My life will surely be a misery now.

Bertie

"Watson" wrote in
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I refused a visual mountain search at night for a found out later to
be a false ELT. I was a Mountain Mission Pilot with CAP for some 20
odd years. I and my squadron were punished for the refusal. "I order
you to fly this search!" No, thank you. Be happy to launch at first
light.

No longer with them.


Well, I've known quite a few of them over the years. Some really good guys
in the CAP, but about 95% are complete and utter assholes.



Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Would you do it with a TAWS equipped GPS?


I do it all the time and haven;'t hit anything yet, AFAIK

LOL! The "AFAIK" must make your insurance guy a little jumpy.

-c

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:39:07 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
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Larry Dighera wrote in
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Could the lack of a moon have contributed to this tragic accident?


Offhand I'd say it an impact with granite. And that's always down to the
pilot not knowing where he is.

Period.

And considering the N-number was a 2007 T182T they were in a G1000
with moving map and minimally can display "terrain" screens on the 12"
moving map MFD.