$98 per barrel oil

Apparently German schools are teaching the same type of relativistic
history ("There is no 'right' or 'wrong' -- just various shades of
gray") that American schools are starting to inflict on our kids.

And how, pray, tell, would you know?

Wolfgang's comments and responses tell the tale. As do yours.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I always thought it was the people of Eastern Europe overthrowing their
communist governments, combined with the fact that a slightly more
enlightened Soviet leader didn't send out the tanks, as his
predecessors had always done in similar situations. Of course I'm
brainwashed by the European media.

And why, pray tell, do you think the Soviets didn't roll the tanks
into Warsaw and Berlin? Do you really think it's cuz Gorbachev was
such a "nice guy"?

Honestly, I can't believe what some people pass off as "history"
nowadays. Soon we'll hear that Hitler invaded France to help the
transit worker's union...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote in
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The Poles didn't speak Russian. The Czechs didn't, the east germans
didn't, the Lithuanians didn't, the Magyars didn't, the Rumanians
didn't....

Gosh, Bertie -- I *know* you're a proud troll, but couldn't you just
once pretend to catch the drift of something without being
bludgeoned?

*sigh* I suppose not.

"Speaking Russian" is a euphemism for "Being in the sphere of the
Soviet Union." In the old days we would have used Churchill's more
flowery prose, and called it "Behind the Iron Curtain"...


Then you should have said that Fjukkwit.


In any case, that's also bull****.


Bertie

There is no reason to think we would. On the other hand Nikita Khrushchev
said, "We will bury you!"

I'm sure that Wolfgang and Thomas were taught that Khrushchev's famous
line was referring only to being buried "economically"... It is to
weep.

I understand how a defeated nation like Germany might subtly inflect
their history books to cast shadows on the victors -- it's human
nature to do so -- but for any German to cast such a positive light on
the SOVIETS (of all people!) is just amazing.

All one needs to do is study the history of the Eastern Front from
1941 to 1945 to appreciate the utter brutality and vindictiveness of
the Soviet army. Tens of thousands of German troops who surrendered
to the Soviets simply disappeared -- executed or starved to death,
without apology or remorse.

Yet somehow, 65 years later, the Warsaw Pact and NATO alliances are
seen as moral EQUALS? NATO -- the very structure that was set up to
protect Europe from similar treatment at the hands of a vengeful,
incredibly powerful, and expansionist Stalin -- is seen as nothing
more than a tool of American imperialism?

Wolfgang and Thomas are the unfortunate products of their societies --
which brings me full circle back to where I started, with the
statement: "Why did we bother?"
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

This documentary is quite a good summary of the cold war era:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/078062386X/

A CNN production, a rather mainstream non-European source.

Just an FYI: CNN isn't considered to be unbiased by many Americans.
They are to the Left what Fox News is to the Right, politically.

(Somewhere in the middle is probably the "Truth" -- although I'm
partial to National Public Radio meself...)

Unfortunately VHS and rather expensive.

Holy crap, $175? You're not kidding...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

Wolfgang's comments and responses tell the tale. As do yours.


If that's the level of research you consider adequate for your
statements, that explains a lot - about the statements and yourself.
Stunning!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Jay,

I'm sure that Wolfgang and Thomas were taught that Khrushchev's famous
line was referring only to being buried "economically"... It is to
weep.


The pure conjecture with which you make up your "facts" is what is to
weep.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Jay,

Wolfgang and Thomas are the unfortunate products of their societies --


Same to you, my friend, same to you.

IMHO, we're much better off than you are - offense meant.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:


Insight into their own failures and economic exhaustion played a part.

And other than a economic system that can't work what do you think caused
that economic exhaustion?



This documentary is quite a good summary of the cold war era:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/078062386X/

A CNN production, a rather mainstream non-European source.
Unfortunately VHS and rather expensive.

Regards



If you want to read a good history of the Cold War try "We Now Know:
Rethinking Cold War History" by John Lewis Gaddis. He is a Yale professor
that was originally very much in the "two sides of the story" camp. After
getting access to Kremlin documents after the fall of the USSR he pretty
much, "Oh crap it was all Stalins fault."

Jay Honeck wrote in news:f227c8da-1bca-4f82-8c01-
:

This documentary is quite a good summary of the cold war era:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/078062386X/

A CNN production, a rather mainstream non-European source.

Just an FYI: CNN isn't considered to be unbiased by many Americans.
They are to the Left what Fox News is to the Right, politically.


No they aren't actually.



Bertie