RIP Cessna...Skycatcher

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Yeah, but what about the plane itself?

Salesmen/demo pilots are a dime a dozen and easily replaced.

So are LSA manufacturers and that's why Cessna will sell a million of
them. You can quibble over the weight of the plane or where its
components are made but the fact is you know Cessna did their homework
and will kill the competition. Just like with their latest jet, the
Mustang.

Newps wrote:


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Yeah, but what about the plane itself?

Salesmen/demo pilots are a dime a dozen and easily replaced.

So are LSA manufacturers and that's why Cessna will sell a million of
them. You can quibble over the weight of the plane or where its
components are made but the fact is you know Cessna did their homework
and will kill the competition. Just like with their latest jet, the
Mustang.

Yeah, but so far all they seem to be good at is F.U.D

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com writes:

In a news release, Cessna CEO Jack Pelton said the company needed
top quality at a competitive price and SAC put it all together.

Translation: Price was the only consideration.

"Our solution is to partner with SAC, a company with excellent facilities,
state-of-the-art technologies and a workforce highly experienced in
aircraft manufacturing.

Translation: We have to give the Chinese what few technological trade secrets
we possess as part of the deal, so that they can eventually make their own
airplanes and throw us out of business. That's more than one fiscal quarter
in the future, though, so we don't care.

SkyCatcher customers will get
an advanced design, high-quality workmanship and world-class product
support, all at an affordable price from Cessna, a brand known and trusted
worldwide." The move, coupled with Cessna's acquisition of Columbia Aircraft
has dominated Cessna's profile in recent months as it continues to pile up
record sales for its business jets.

Time to look elsewhere for safe aircraft.

Darkwing wrote:

This will be a PR nightmare for Cessna IMO. How long until the Skycatcher is
known as a Chinese POS? Even if I chose an overseas builder I would NEVER of
chose a Chinese company only through perception alone.

To be fair, Cessna did chose an old and reputable Chinese aircraft
manufacturer. Those Chinese CJ-6 trainers and the Chinese versions of the
MiGs have been made by Shenyang since the 50s.


We sold some Chinese made scooters a couple years back. Total pieces of
****. Constantly breaking down, had to reset the valve lash and timing
straight from the company, nothing but problems. The carbs were ALWAYS
plugged from the factory and had to be rebuilt and devarnished from the
factory. We bailed on that deal pretty quick.

Are you really comparing an established aircraft manufacturer with the
makers of cheap scooters? Most of those low quality scooters are built in
backyard sheds throughout China. Not exactly the same thing.

While it would be nice for Cessna to manufacture their LSA in the U.S.,
it's just not going to happen in the current competitive climate. When the
LSA market finally shakes out, I'm betting that the players left standing
will be the ones manufacturing somewhere in Asia.


John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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"JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message
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Darkwing wrote:

This will be a PR nightmare for Cessna IMO. How long until the Skycatcher
is
known as a Chinese POS? Even if I chose an overseas builder I would NEVER
of
chose a Chinese company only through perception alone.

To be fair, Cessna did chose an old and reputable Chinese aircraft
manufacturer. Those Chinese CJ-6 trainers and the Chinese versions of the
MiGs have been made by Shenyang since the 50s.


We sold some Chinese made scooters a couple years back. Total pieces of
****. Constantly breaking down, had to reset the valve lash and timing
straight from the company, nothing but problems. The carbs were ALWAYS
plugged from the factory and had to be rebuilt and devarnished from the
factory. We bailed on that deal pretty quick.

Are you really comparing an established aircraft manufacturer with the
makers of cheap scooters? Most of those low quality scooters are built in
backyard sheds throughout China. Not exactly the same thing.

While it would be nice for Cessna to manufacture their LSA in the U.S.,
it's just not going to happen in the current competitive climate. When
the
LSA market finally shakes out, I'm betting that the players left standing
will be the ones manufacturing somewhere in Asia.


No and I was going to qualify that post but didn't think about it until
afterwards. Of course with Usenet there is no going back, this isn't
Ultimate BB.

I just think that Cessna is making a mistake from at least the MARKETING end
of things. Chinese build aero-plane? Screw that! Ever seen Back to the
Future Part III? Look at this part, no wonder it failed it says made in
Japan! What do you mean? All the best stuff is made in Japan! I'm sure over
time the good Chinese factories will rise up and the crap builders will die
off just like in any business but it will take a lot of time for Chinese
made goods to be considered equal to many other countries in the world.

Darkwing schrieb:

Even if I chose an overseas builder I would NEVER of
chose a Chinese company only through perception alone.

As a starter you might want to check http://www.sac.com.cn/eng/

In the customers section, I read among others:
　737-700 Empennage
Customer: Boeing
Contract concluded: 1995

I understand you will never again fly in a Boeing 737-700, through
perception alone.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I'd demand my deposit back.

Me, too.

Dang, it's hard to find ANYTHING not made in China anymore. I've
noticed that even many of the books I've been buying lately are from
China now...

Chairman Mao's book?

The are going to regret not building these in the US if the $ continues its
downward spiral.

Mike Schumann

"JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message
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Darkwing wrote:

This will be a PR nightmare for Cessna IMO. How long until the Skycatcher
is
known as a Chinese POS? Even if I chose an overseas builder I would NEVER
of
chose a Chinese company only through perception alone.

To be fair, Cessna did chose an old and reputable Chinese aircraft
manufacturer. Those Chinese CJ-6 trainers and the Chinese versions of the
MiGs have been made by Shenyang since the 50s.


We sold some Chinese made scooters a couple years back. Total pieces of
****. Constantly breaking down, had to reset the valve lash and timing
straight from the company, nothing but problems. The carbs were ALWAYS
plugged from the factory and had to be rebuilt and devarnished from the
factory. We bailed on that deal pretty quick.

Are you really comparing an established aircraft manufacturer with the
makers of cheap scooters? Most of those low quality scooters are built in
backyard sheds throughout China. Not exactly the same thing.

While it would be nice for Cessna to manufacture their LSA in the U.S.,
it's just not going to happen in the current competitive climate. When
the
LSA market finally shakes out, I'm betting that the players left standing
will be the ones manufacturing somewhere in Asia.


John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
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The are going to regret not building these in the US if the $ continues
its downward spiral.

Mike Schumann

The Chinese money (the Yian or something?) is tied to the price of the US
dollar so even if the dollar falls the percentage doesn't change. That is
actually something that is a matter of contention with other countries at
the moment.

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:40:11 -0500, Darkwing wrote:

I just think that Cessna is making a mistake from at least the MARKETING end
of things. Chinese build aero-plane? Screw that! Ever seen Back to the
Future Part III? Look at this part, no wonder it failed it says made in
Japan! What do you mean? All the best stuff is made in Japan! I'm sure over
time the good Chinese factories will rise up and the crap builders will die
off just like in any business but it will take a lot of time for Chinese
made goods to be considered equal to many other countries in the world.

Not really since they own and mfg the leading business laptops from Lenovo
(was IBM). Cessna knows what they are doing. My bet is that this is a
positive thing.
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