Cessna sued for skydiving accident.

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:49:26 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


So, why do so many of them have boots and hot props and all
the rest? It would seem to add a lot of expensive weight if flight
through known ice is forbidden. What does FedEx do with their Caravans
when the weather is less than CAVU? Ground them?

I flew on a Caravan a few weeks back that certainly was equipped for
ice.

Long underwear and a parka around the airframe?

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 15:17:30 -0700, "Matt W. Barrow"
wrote:



And the teachers that have been telling parents, for years now, to "Shut
up...we're the experts" hasan't had an effect?

My wife has kids that are up all night because the SWAT Team is
busting the parents for dealing.

She also has kids that have mothers with "friends" that come and go,
an hour at a time, in mom's bedroom.

She also has parents that exclaim "You're picking on the black man!"
when she tries to tell them their kid can't read well enough to pass
kindergarten, even though he's in second grade.

And these folks learned those traits, where? NEWS: it wasn't until recent
times that such behavior was commonplace.


Oddly enough, her Indian, Pakastani, Middle Eastern, Mexican, and
Eastern European immigrant (Czech, Polish, Russian states...) parents
who take great interest, as well as get great improvement, with kids
who aren't pulling the sled.

No doubt. Let them stew in the PS system for a few years?

The school systems created the monster in the 60's onward; contemporary
parents (2nd generation and forward) are the results.

Morgans wrote:

So teaching in the public schools is responsible (even indirectly) for the
decline in GA.

THAT is the biggest streach I believe I have ever seen on this newsgroup,
even from MX.

I won't bother to insult your lack of proofreading (as you did to me)
because I am capable of understanding and then debating a point in
spite of a minor typo someone happened to make while expressing and
impassioned response.

I am not saying there are not some good (albeit frustrated) teachers
in the public schools. But that does not justify the system itself...
it is in fact very flawed. The same is true of government... it is ver
flawed and corrupt but there may be a few good ones out there.


People like to shoot the messenger but its a fact.

People shoot messengers when they are full of sh*t, and so dense they don't
realize they are full of sh*t.

Sheesh!

I can see that you are incapable of discussing this concept within
the contraints of logic alone but rather must resort to personal
insults. I do understand that so much of this subject is sensitive
to you because it involves the career you have chosen.

Matt W. Barrow wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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BDS wrote:
"Maxwell" wrote

I don't think that is really the case. It does indeed take people
seeking
recovery to start the process. But I have never seen a lawyer get
involved
with a case in the interest of justice. They pick and choose who they
help
base on yeild, not justice.
Both the plaintiff and his or her lawyer share a portion of the blame, no
doubt. But the fact remains that none of it could take place without a
willing plaintiff no matter how many morally corrupt lawyers there are
out
there. I guess it shows how quickly many of us are willing to throw
everything we know about what is right and what is wrong out the window
if
the price is right.

BDS


I went through a long process where I gave the lawyer/plaintif equation a
lot of hard objective thought. In the end I came to the following
conclusion;
Although it's true that the plaintiff has to want the lawsuit, one has to
consider that in considering the plaintiff side of the equation, one has
the entire population to consider. It's reasonable to assume that within
that population there will be a considerable amount of potential
plaintiffs seeking unreasonable, trivial, and financially inspired
litigation.

Lawyers are, but their very nature of the job, persuasive. Do you think they
can't persuade some grieving or naive party that they have been "harmed" to
a proper extent?

Hell, look at the poverty pimps and similar ner-do-wells.



I once had a lawyer tell me that the TRUE mark of a lawyers ability can
be shown by that lawyer's ability to argue first the plaintiff's side of
the case, then the defendent's side of the same case....and win BOTH times!

So much for the justice part of the legal equation! Let's hear it for
SALESMANSHIP!!!! :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:58:46 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

And your point?


Bad parents have unteachable kids. The criminals I mentioned...

I know a kid whose dad spent years in the state pen and was later killed by
a SWAT team. He graduated third in his class of over 400.


Parents who care, and are involved, have successful kids. The
successful immigrants...

I'll bet the same thing would have happened to you that would have
happened to me if we brought home an "F". Today, it's not like that.

Many times an "F" is deserved. As many times the teacher would have also
gotten an "F". When they gave math teachers the same math tests, the average
grade was 60%, with 70% being a failing grade. It's nearly the rule, rather
than the exception.

Given the absolute irrationality and indoctrination coming from schools,
would more attentive parents make that much of a dent? Would it make the
psychosis coming from schools go away?

No matter how attentive parents are, "whole word reading", for example,
isn't going to make kids good readers. Would it make schools less likely to
spread Global Warming bull****?

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:28:03 GMT, kontiki

The reason there is a "slant" to a public education is that the
vast majority of teachers graduate from public schools, then
go to a college or university then go right into teaching. That
is inbreeding... pretty much the same way with politicians...
most have never had an actual real job in their life.

My wife didn't do it that way.

And exception does not disprove the other 100,000 cases.


She worked for a Fortune 50 corporation, then ran the office for her
parent's 180+ employee asbestos and lead abatement company, then
decided to teach elementary school. She took her first teaching job
@ 37.

It's outstanding your wife is an exception. Now, iof she is willing to take
on a class of 36,000,000 students, we're all set.


Her elementary school coworkers include a couple who worked for an oil
company in Saudi Arabia for 20 years (first taught in their 50's), an
ex advertising sales executive (42, as a first year teacher), and a
former Comair pilot.

Good for them and our thanks.

Now you just have to account for the other 2,000,000 teachers.

Dudley Henriques wrote:

I once had a lawyer tell me that the TRUE mark of a lawyers ability can
be shown by that lawyer's ability to argue first the plaintiff's side of
the case, then the defendent's side of the same case....and win BOTH times!

And why are you surprised? A lawyer is a mercenary. A hired gun. A tool.
I don't expect my lawyer to base their performance on whether they like me
or believe in me any more than I expect my drill press or my laptop to do
so.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Matt W. Barrow wrote:

Lawyers are, by their very nature of the job, persuasive. Do you think
they can't persuade some grieving or naive party that they have been
"harmed" to a proper extent?

Hell, look at the poverty pimps and similar ner-do-wells.



I once had a lawyer tell me that the TRUE mark of a lawyers ability can be
shown by that lawyer's ability to argue first the plaintiff's side of the
case, then the defendent's side of the same case....and win BOTH times!

So much for the justice part of the legal equation! Let's hear it for
SALESMANSHIP!!!! :-))

And now you know why so many stopped calling it the "Justice System" and now
refer to it as the "Legal System". It's all in "gaming the system".

B A R R Y wrote in
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 23:58:46 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

And your point?


Bad parents have unteachable kids. The criminals I mentioned...

Parents who care, and are involved, have successful kids. The
successful immigrants...

I'll bet the same thing would have happened to you that would have
happened to me if we brought home an "F". Today, it's not like that.


I know exactly what it's like.

So, The current systemn encourages parents who care, and their kids are
successful.

So what is your beef, then?


Bertie

"kontiki" wrote in message
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Morgans wrote:

So teaching in the public schools is responsible (even indirectly) for
the decline in GA.

THAT is the biggest streach I believe I have ever seen on this newsgroup,
even from MX.

I won't bother to insult your lack of proofreading (as you did to me)
because I am capable of understanding and then debating a point in
spite of a minor typo someone happened to make while expressing and
impassioned response.

I am not saying there are not some good (albeit frustrated) teachers
in the public schools. But that does not justify the system itself...
it is in fact very flawed. The same is true of government... it is ver
flawed and corrupt but there may be a few good ones out there.


People like to shoot the messenger but its a fact.

People shoot messengers when they are full of sh*t, and so dense they
don't realize they are full of sh*t.

Sheesh!

I can see that you are incapable of discussing this concept within
the contraints of logic alone but rather must resort to personal
insults. I do understand that so much of this subject is sensitive
to you because it involves the career you have chosen.

Of course...he's a "teacher" that is so far removed from reality, it's a
tragedy that someone entrusts their offspring to his care.

As for full of sh*t, his lame excuses, right out of the teachers union
playbook, demonstrates something akin to a complete mental shift into LaLa
land.

If his argumentation here is any indication, it's no small wonder we now
have the better part of two generations that completely bonkers. If we note
the propensity of so many to make childish excuses, it's because they had
extensive exposure to that mindset in what we call their "teachers". Many of
these folks should be in padded rooms, not school rooms.