FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour

"Jim Macklin" writes:

What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any person with
some level experience with a cockpit display can control an airliner. Most
FAA controllers would not have the experience to describe the cockpit and
give useful instruction in how to manually fly with the autopilot or where
the switches are located, or how to use the radio to even start the
"rescue."

FAA controllers can find pilots and put them on the radio, if required.

F. Baum writes:

Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to land
the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly to see
how the instructor would do this). These portions of the show were
amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The stuff they did
show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten awhay with some of
it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment" value
but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be talked down in
an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or two in GA after the
pilot became incapacitated.

A small GA airplane is completely different from an airliner, but in any case,
it has been done successfully in small planes. No circumstances have ever
required it in airliners, but it's certainly doable.

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ross wrote in
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F. Baum wrote:

On Dec 13, 12:06 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:


What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any
person with some level experience with a cockpit display can
control an airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the
experience to describe the cockpit and give useful instruction
in how to manually fly with the autopilot or where the switches
are located, or how to use the radio to even start the "rescue."

Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off
on
how
to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that?

Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to
land the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly
to see how the instructor would do this). These portions of the
show were amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The
stuff they did show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten
awhay with
some
of it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment"
value but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be
talked down in an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or
two in GA after the pilot became incapacitated.
FB
I had the opportunity to "fly" a American Airlines F-100 in their
full
motion simulator with an instructor. He was able to talk me
through a landing at O'Hare Airport without crashing the airplane.
However, without someone familiar with the aircraft the
intimidation of the lights, buttons, dials, radios, switches, etc
would overwhelm anyone.


And that's only a little fartbox of a jet!


Bertie

Yea, but it was fun for me since it was my first time!

Oh yeah. I didn't mean that. but here's an experienced pilot in a
relatively simple jet having a bit of a time doing it and yet anthony
thinks he can do it because he made his own sim out of cornflakes
boxes and a playstation..

Bertie


Reminds me of my first time in a full flight simulator, 12 years ago.

During the course of my pilot training, the school organized an visit
to a flight simulator manufacturer.

Each student got a chance to shoot an approach in a CRJ FFS. At that
point of our training, we all had over 100 hours, all had our private
pilot license and where on our way to our commercial.

The guy trying it out just before me was doing the bush-pilot
specialization, and had time in light singles, and in a Cessna 185, on
wheel and on float. He overcontroled the aircraft so much on short
final, he basically rolled it and crashed on the runway.

Me (with multi-engine experience), I managed to put the aircraft down
correctly, only to roll pass the end of the runway thanks to not
applying enough brake pressure and/or engaging the thrust reverser too
late.

Goes to show that it's not as easy as it might seem.


Yeah, you don't have to be superman, but Anthony's suggestions are just
ludicrous.

Bertie

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Ross wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ross wrote in
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F. Baum wrote:

On Dec 13, 12:06 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:


What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any
person with some level experience with a cockpit display can
control an airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the
experience to describe the cockpit and give useful instruction in
how to manually fly with the autopilot or where the switches are
located, or how to use the radio to even start the "rescue."

Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off on
how to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that?


Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to
land the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly
to see how the instructor would do this). These portions of the
show were amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The
stuff they did show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten
awhay with some of it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its
"Infotaiment" value but I remain unconvinced that someone could
actually be talked down in an airliner. I think it has been tried
a time or two in GA after the pilot became incapacitated.
FB

I had the opportunity to "fly" a American Airlines F-100 in their
full motion simulator with an instructor. He was able to talk me
through a landing at O'Hare Airport without crashing the airplane.
However, without someone familiar with the aircraft the
intimidation of the lights, buttons, dials, radios, switches, etc
would overwhelm anyone.



And that's only a little fartbox of a jet!

Bertie


Yea, but it was fun for me since it was my first time!


My first time was in the back of a Nash.


Now you are dating yourself.

Well, could be worse, coulda been a hupmobile or a stanley steamer.

Bertie

I don't think anybody here really cares, but it would be undeniably
cool to see an aeroplane hurtling down a massive treadmill.

My guess is that they would use a model airplane. It would just be
too unsafe to do anything else.

Why? It will never take off.

g,d,rlh Jose
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Ross wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ross wrote in
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F. Baum wrote:

On Dec 13, 12:06 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:


What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any
person with some level experience with a cockpit display can
control an airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the
experience to describe the cockpit and give useful instruction in
how to manually fly with the autopilot or where the switches are
located, or how to use the radio to even start the "rescue."

Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off on
how to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that?

Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to
land the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly
to see how the instructor would do this). These portions of the
show were amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The
stuff they did show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten
awhay with some of it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its
"Infotaiment" value but I remain unconvinced that someone could
actually be talked down in an airliner. I think it has been tried
a time or two in GA after the pilot became incapacitated.
FB
I had the opportunity to "fly" a American Airlines F-100 in their
full motion simulator with an instructor. He was able to talk me
through a landing at O'Hare Airport without crashing the airplane.
However, without someone familiar with the aircraft the
intimidation of the lights, buttons, dials, radios, switches, etc
would overwhelm anyone.


And that's only a little fartbox of a jet!

Bertie

Yea, but it was fun for me since it was my first time!

My first time was in the back of a Nash.


Now you are dating yourself.

Well, could be worse, coulda been a hupmobile or a stanley steamer.

Bertie

The Steamer would have been nice. If you could make the boiler big
enough and light enough, I wonder how fast the damn thing could have
REALLY gone :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Jose wrote:
I don't think anybody here really cares, but it would be undeniably
cool to see an aeroplane hurtling down a massive treadmill.

My guess is that they would use a model airplane. It would just be
too unsafe to do anything else.

Why? It will never take off.

g,d,rlh Jose

Oh, you're so subtle you little devil you :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Ross wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ross wrote in
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F. Baum wrote:

On Dec 13, 12:06 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:


What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any
person with some level experience with a cockpit display can
control an airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the
experience to describe the cockpit and give useful instruction
in
how to manually fly with the autopilot or where the switches
are
located, or how to use the radio to even start the "rescue."

Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off
on
how to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that?

Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to
land the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor
(Mainly
to see how the instructor would do this). These portions of the
show were amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) .
The
stuff they did show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten
awhay with some of it in a real plane. I do watch the show for
its
"Infotaiment" value but I remain unconvinced that someone could
actually be talked down in an airliner. I think it has been
tried
a time or two in GA after the pilot became incapacitated.
FB
I had the opportunity to "fly" a American Airlines F-100 in their
full motion simulator with an instructor. He was able to talk me
through a landing at O'Hare Airport without crashing the
airplane.
However, without someone familiar with the aircraft the
intimidation of the lights, buttons, dials, radios, switches, etc
would overwhelm anyone.


And that's only a little fartbox of a jet!

Bertie

Yea, but it was fun for me since it was my first time!

My first time was in the back of a Nash.


Now you are dating yourself.

Well, could be worse, coulda been a hupmobile or a stanley steamer.

Bertie

The Steamer would have been nice. If you could make the boiler big
enough and light enough, I wonder how fast the damn thing could have
REALLY gone :-))



They went pretty fast! Steamers held the land speed records in the early
days. I think Serpollets were doing well into triple digits in 1907 or
so. I think Some stanleys were raced as well . I nearly bought a White
Steamer years ago. Sorry I ddn;t now! what a nifty car that was!

Bertie

Looked it up. The Stanleys set a record in 1906 of 127 mph. Interestingly,
in the very early days, land speed records were dominated by electric cars,
the fastest of which was 65.79 mph in 1899..



Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Looked it up. The Stanleys set a record in 1906 of 127 mph. Interestingly,
in the very early days, land speed records were dominated by electric cars,
the fastest of which was 65.79 mph in 1899..



Bertie



Can you imagine what it must have felt like for those early guys at 127
indicated on that frame and chassis? Those guys had guts!!

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Dudley Henriques