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Dave wrote:



As a "dogfighter" ? (within the definition) .. nope...

Dave


Oh really? You might want to go to this link and read some of the
after action reports. I'm a Mustang fan and always thought it was as
you posted, not the airplane to be turning with but these reports made
me think differently.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...t-reports.html

"Morgans" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote

You don't mean the little Macchis from the fifties, do you? They were
high wing but kind of swept forwards.

Nope, and I'll be darned if I could find it, even with a while
searching for it. I remember it from an article in AOPA, I think. It
was probably 5-7 years ago. On the cover, as I recall.

It looked a lot like this, but it was not this one:

http://www.ldap.cz/en/mfi.htm

I could be all wrong, but I thought it was an Italian design, that had
been certified for a while in like form, anyway. I thought it had a
name like Cappra, or something.

Don't remember seeing it though I'm sure it's in my sport aviation pile
somewhere.
The link you posted above *is* the Malmo as it was modified in the UK as
the ARV, I'm pretty sure. Nice to see it being mae still. Should be a
pretty good LSA. If I were in the market for something like that the
simplicity would appeal to me in a big way.

Bertie

sean trost wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dave wrote in
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Well said...

The Mustang was (is) a fine mount, and while it shares the mantra as
the "best" fighter with others, each fighter had to be flown in
it's design environment.

It was best (designed to be) long range fighter ESCORT, which it
excelled at.

Down low and in the dirt, many other planes could out gun, out turn,
out climb and out dive it..

One of the best tactics for a P-51 pilot if caught down low was to
get outta dodge.. Some of the enemy pilots called them "runstangs"
(I forget the translation)

But 15000 ft, while other planes started to wheeze.. the stang
could still breathe, and , clearly in it's design element, was the
ride to have...up at that alt....

As a "dogfighter" ? (within the definition) .. nope...


I'd love to find out, but basically we're arguing about which
supermodel we'd sleep with, of course.


Bertie

Roflamo ! True that !


Very! The truth is you gotta have a lotta money, time and luck to get
into either.


Bertie

Matt W. Barrow wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Morgans wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote

The 51 was a fine airplane, and it worked well at all altitudes but it
was nearing the end of its run at the end of the war.
I loved the airplane and flew it often but for me, flying the F8F
Bearcat one sunny afternoon in December, redefined the meaning of the
term "prop fighter performance".
In my opinion, if the war had lingered on and the Bear had been mass
produced for both theaters, the F8F would have not seen its match
anywhere.
Interesting. I had never heard that expressed, before.

Would the F8F had the legs to do the long range bomber escort missions?

How about top speeds; was it as fast, or faster than the 51?
The Bear had VERY short legs and even with the drop tank would never have
made it as a long range fighter.
In close, intercept, and shoot it down fast was the Bear's prime intended
function.

Designed to defeat Kamikazes' at a distance, no?


Not all that far really. Total fuel was 185 gals without the drop tank,
so the range was severely limited. Figuring climb, cruise and combat
power settings, I'd say less than 90 minutes to bingo fuel.

--
Dudley Henriques

On Dec 15, 6:28 pm, wrote:
A buddy of mine recorded some History Channel show and I watched it.
The show was "Dogfight", and this episode was on P-51s fighting
ME109s, FW190, ME262s, and some Japanese planes.

Dude, you're a pilot and you haven't seen the show "Dogflights"!! OMG,
dude you need to try to get all the old episodes and make sure you
Tivo the new ones. There has never been a show more perfect for pilots
than this.
-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in news:b722a123-240d-4475-bab9-
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On Dec 15, 6:28 pm, wrote:
A buddy of mine recorded some History Channel show and I watched it.
The show was "Dogfight", and this episode was on P-51s fighting
ME109s, FW190, ME262s, and some Japanese planes.

Dude, you're a pilot and you haven't seen the show "Dogflights"!! OMG,
dude you need to try to get all the old episodes and make sure you
Tivo the new ones. There has never been a show more perfect for pilots
than this.
-Robert


Well, maybe the Emmanualle series.


Bertie

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:11:04 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:28 pm, wrote:
A buddy of mine recorded some History Channel show and I watched it.
The show was "Dogfight", and this episode was on P-51s fighting
ME109s, FW190, ME262s, and some Japanese planes.

Dude, you're a pilot and you haven't seen the show "Dogflights"!! OMG,
dude you need to try to get all the old episodes and make sure you
Tivo the new ones. There has never been a show more perfect for pilots
than this.

That must be true; it explains why it's been canceled....

Ron Wanttaja

In a previous article, Dave said:
The Spit, with the cannons, an early (and often "lucky", - according
to him) short burst on the mark, and the fight was over.

He claimed he could EASILY out turn the Stang, more so with the Mk5
Spit, which he liked the best. (they used to "compare" planes, - he
did not elaborate.. )

The Mark V Spitfire had cannons? I thought that one still had the 8
..303s?


--
Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
-- Arthur C. Clarke

In a previous article, (Paul Tomblin) said:
In a previous article, Dave said:
The Spit, with the cannons, an early (and often "lucky", - according
to him) short burst on the mark, and the fight was over.

He claimed he could EASILY out turn the Stang, more so with the Mk5
Spit, which he liked the best. (they used to "compare" planes, - he
did not elaborate.. )

The Mark V Spitfire had cannons? I thought that one still had the 8
.303s?

Ok, I looked it up myself. Most of the Vs had "B wing" with 2x20mm and
4x.303.


--
Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/
Microsoft: bringing the world to your desktop -- and your desktop to
the world.
-- Peter Gutmann

On Dec 17, 8:07 pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:11:04 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:28 pm, wrote:
A buddy of mine recorded some History Channel show and I watched it.
The show was "Dogfight", and this episode was on P-51s fighting
ME109s, FW190, ME262s, and some Japanese planes.

Dude, you're a pilot and you haven't seen the show "Dogflights"!! OMG,
dude you need to try to get all the old episodes and make sure you
Tivo the new ones. There has never been a show more perfect for pilots
than this.

That must be true; it explains why it's been canceled....

I don't see any evidence of that on the History Channel's web site or
at the wikipedia entry for the show. Is there a news release for this?

-Robert