Medical and severe allergies

Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder writes:

And if he can't stick himself in the leg with an epi-pen and continue to
fly I wouldn't even suggest that. I'd even go so far as saying he needs
to test himself on this with another pilot in the plane with him.

Isn't it possible to get some sort of medical waiver that allows you to fly as
long as you have a safety pilot with you (something like that exists for deaf
people, I think)?


He can do that right now. It's called being a passenger.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote

"Peanut allergy affects approximately 1.5 million people in the United
States. As the most common cause of life-threatening allergic
reactions (anaphylaxis), peanut allergies account for 80 percent of
fatal or near-fatal allergic reactions each year. You can reduce your
risk of having an allergic reaction to peanuts by knowing as much as
you can about peanut allergy and how to avoid peanut-containing
products."

Morgan writes:

Yep. As a side note, remember back a while, when some airline flights did
not serve food on short flights, they would still give you a snack? It was
often peanuts.

The people with peanut allergies were able to get peanuts banned, because of
the severity of the reactions when a hundred people opened up bags of
peanuts, in a relatively stagnant tube of pressurized air.

I don't mind, since the reactions are so severe.

I don't know what the right thing to do in the case is, but it seems
unlikely that there would be any problem, as long as his passengers know
that they should not open any food, until it is confirmed that they contain
no peanuts.
--
Jim in NC

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Robert M. Gary writes:

If he eats some he could lose consciousness. He said he was on a
school bus once and some kids in the row in front of him opened a bag
of nuts. He broke out in hives. I'm not sure how limiting the hives
are to PIC. Apparently peanuts give of a dust that some are very
allergic to (learn something new everyday). He did use a spoon once
that had been used for peanut butter and apparently not cleaned well
enough and he dropped to the floor.

Allergic reactions can also be psychogenic, which bodes even worse for
obtaining a medical.

Speaking of exposure to nuts...

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote

"Peanut allergy affects approximately 1.5 million people in the United
States. As the most common cause of life-threatening allergic
reactions (anaphylaxis), peanut allergies account for 80 percent of
fatal or near-fatal allergic reactions each year. You can reduce your
risk of having an allergic reaction to peanuts by knowing as much as
you can about peanut allergy and how to avoid peanut-containing
products."

Morgan writes:

Yep. As a side note, remember back a while, when some airline flights did
not serve food on short flights, they would still give you a snack? It
was often peanuts.

The people with peanut allergies were able to get peanuts banned, because
of the severity of the reactions when a hundred people opened up bags of
peanuts, in a relatively stagnant tube of pressurized air.

I don't mind, since the reactions are so severe.

I don't know what the right thing to do in the case is, but it seems
unlikely that there would be any problem, as long as his passengers know
that they should not open any food, until it is confirmed that they
contain no peanuts.
--
Jim in NC

Well, since I am presently in a politically incorrect frame of mind, I do
mind--and I want my snacks back.

Peter
(Not that I ride in the giant mailing tubes without a damned good reason in
any case.)

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
...
Robert M. Gary wrote:

If he eats some he could lose consciousness. He said he was on a
school bus once and some kids in the row in front of him opened a bag
of nuts. He broke out in hives. I'm not sure how limiting the hives
are to PIC. Apparently peanuts give of a dust that some are very
allergic to (learn something new everyday). He did use a spoon once
that had been used for peanut butter and apparently not cleaned well
enough and he dropped to the floor.
It would just be too bad if he couldn't fly. If he's exposed to nuts
he would know right away, its not like he could be fine, take off, and
then discover nuts in the plane. However, if someone opened some in
the cockpit it could be bad.

-Robert

If he really wants to fly I think his only option is to go LSA and buy his
on plane and NEVER let any food product that he isn't 100% sure is peanut
free ever enter the aircraft.

And if he can't stick himself in the leg with an epi-pen and continue to
fly I wouldn't even suggest that. I'd even go so far as saying he needs to
test himself on this with another pilot in the plane with him.


Seriously, from a purely practical as opposed to regulatory viewpoint, that
is the only real solution--if he really wants to fly.

Peter
(Just my $0.02 as a layman)

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Robert M. Gary writes:

If he eats some he could lose consciousness. He said he was on a
school bus once and some kids in the row in front of him opened a bag
of nuts. He broke out in hives. I'm not sure how limiting the hives
are to PIC. Apparently peanuts give of a dust that some are very
allergic to (learn something new everyday). He did use a spoon once
that had been used for peanut butter and apparently not cleaned well
enough and he dropped to the floor.

Allergic reactions can also be psychogenic, which bodes even worse for
obtaining a medical.


Like your allergy to reality.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Robert M. Gary writes:

No, when they test you for allergies they don't tell you which part
of the skin they put which allergen. It would be pretty tough to only
break out in certain areas.

True, but when you see someone open a bag of nuts, you know that the
allergen is at least theoretically present. Asthma, for example, is
famous for being an allergy that can be triggered not only by actual
exposure to allergens but also psychogenically, and allergic reactions
in general are in a category of physiological responses that are
strongly influenced by emotion and mental state.

In any case, if a person develops a dangerous allergic reaction just
by having a bag of peanuts opened nearby,

Wheras you just look for the crumbs, eh?


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
news
Robert M. Gary writes:

BTW: This is a well known allergy.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/peanut-allergy/DS00710

"Peanut allergy affects approximately 1.5 million people in the
United States. As the most common cause of life-threatening allergic
reactions (anaphylaxis), peanut allergies account for 80 percent of
fatal or near-fatal allergic reactions each year. You can reduce your
risk of having an allergic reaction to peanuts by knowing as much as
you can about peanut allergy and how to avoid peanut-containing
products."

Yes, it's among the most common food allergies, but it's still rare.
And allergic reactions can still be triggered psychogenically as well,
especially among people who have strong allergic reactions of purely
physiological origin.

There's a huge difference between consuming peanut products and having
someone open a bag of peanuts nearby. In the former case it would be
easy to avoid any allergy problems while flying; in the latter case,
no place is safe, including a cockpit.


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Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Dallas writes:

These peanut allergy people really have a tough life as peanut
by-products can be used in just about anything processed. There's a
chance that eating a bag potato chips could set him off if he didn't
read the label or the factory was sloppy in listing their ingredients
or cleaning their equipment.

I would bet the risk of incapacitation is too high in his case for
the FAA to be comfortable giving him a medical. Please let us know
how it turns out, I'm sure several of us are curious.

Since the FAA is so paranoid about so many other potential (but often
farfetched) causes of incapacitation, I should think this would make
them shiver with apprehension, but who knows?




I do. Send me $50 and I'll tell you.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

And if he can't stick himself in the leg with an epi-pen and continue
to fly I wouldn't even suggest that. I'd even go so far as saying he
needs to test himself on this with another pilot in the plane with
him.

Isn't it possible to get some sort of medical waiver that allows you
to fly as long as you have a safety pilot with you (something like
that exists for deaf people, I think)?


I don't think they'd have one for you Anthony. Being a tit isn't in any of
the manuals, AFAIK


Bertie