Boeing Awarded Contract For Next-Generation Harpoon Block III Missile

Clark wrote in
:

[snip]

Speed kills. Blast kills. How much energy is delivered to the target? That
question is all that matters.

Yup, if you drop a common 30-50lb crowbar from orbit
its going to inflict a world of hurt on whatever it hits
notwithstanding its simply an inert piece of metal.

IBM

Ian MacLure wrote:

:Peter Skelton wrote in
:
:
: [snip]
:
: Aren't the small, modified AA missles supersonic, small and about
: as long-ranged as harpoon? They've a much smaller punch -
: nothing's free, as you say, but they'd be likely to hit against
: current defenses.
:
: And taking a hit from several hundred lbs of metal + 80 or
: so lbs of blast/frag warhead at M3 has a quality all its own
: so to speak.
:

But high velocity is still not a good substitute for a large warhead.


--
"Rule Number One for Slayers - Don't die."
-- Buffy, the Vampire Slayer

In message , Clark
writes
Show me a VLS system other than submarine that isn't used with Aegis.

GWS26 Sea Wolf. PAAMS (Sylver launchers plus ASTER missiles). SA-N-6 and
SA-N-9, for the Russians. At least one Chinese system whose designation
I can't recall offhand. Barak, for Israeli kit. Vertically Launched Sea
Sparrow.

There may be more but that's a starting point. Plenty of users like
vertical launch without ever getting near AEGIS.

--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides


pauldotjdotadam[at]googlemail{dot}.com

Ian MacLure wrote:
Clark wrote in
:

[snip]

Speed kills. Blast kills. How much energy is delivered to the target? That
question is all that matters.

Yup, if you drop a common 30-50lb crowbar from orbit
its going to inflict a world of hurt on whatever it hits
notwithstanding its simply an inert piece of metal.

IBM


a crowbar probably would not hit the ground (ever seen a long thin iron
meteor?)

Vince

Relax Fred,

I asked nicely that you make me smart.

I certainly didn't ask for personal attacks. That is why I don't visit
here often.

I'm sure Capt. Winter would be proud of you for making me smart in
such a belligerent fashion. Now that is professionalism and superior
leadership at it's best! ;(

Thanks for the information, you have obviously made me smarter.

But no thanks for the *******ly way you insulted me.

I won't stoop that low as to retaliate, you ain't worth it, I'll just
let your comments speak for themselves.

And OBTW, you just lost another valuable contributor to this group.
While I may have been out in left field on this perticular subject, I
am now closer the glideslope.

But you won't see me in here again, it ain't worth the childish
diatribes from the likes such as yourself.

Seeya

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:24:15 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

fudog50 wrote:
:
:Excuse me?
:

Why? Did you fart?

If so, you managed to blow all the context away so nobody can tell
what the hell you're replying to.

Oh, never mind. I see that you just brokenly top-posted.

:
:Block II was NOT procured by U.S.
:

True, but the development is being supported by Navy GFE.

:
:It was totally driven by FMS.
:

Really? Then it's interesting that the following statement got made:

In return, the Navy will "reap the benefits of a more advanced cruise
missile in the future, without investing money today," Navy officials
said.

Why would the Navy support development of Harpoon Block II if it was
"totally driven by FMS"?

:
:I am confused anyway because all we fly in a Carrier Battle Group is
:SLAM-ER used with AWW-13 data link pods on the Hornets.
:

You're very confused. The Navy just bought another 245 Harpoons, so
it's funny that you don't think they're used (and SLAM-ER is a very
different weapon, despite using the same body tube and such).

What squadron are you in where you ONLY fly SLAM-ER?

:
:I'm certain P-3's fly the same thing, so I don't know where this
:"Block III" BS comes from?
:

Yes, P-3s fly the same thing (both Harpoons and SLAM-ERs) and your
ignorance with regard to Harpoon Block III is your problem.

If you'd like, send me your navy.mil email address and I'll put you in
touch with Captain Winter and you can explain to him how all this
Network Enable Weapon stuff is BS.

Of course, you could just look him up in the locater and email him
directly about it.

:
:Maybe the Block III is an upgrade to the Block II for FMS?
:

Nope. Block III quite likely won't be exportable.

:
:What role would it have for U.S.? When we are already using
:SLAM-ER????
:

Same role as existing Harpoon. Anti-ship.

Vince wrote:
Ian MacLure wrote:
Clark wrote in
:

[snip]

Speed kills. Blast kills. How much energy is delivered to the target?
That question is all that matters.

Yup, if you drop a common 30-50lb crowbar from orbit
its going to inflict a world of hurt on whatever it hits
notwithstanding its simply an inert piece of metal.

IBM


a crowbar probably would not hit the ground (ever seen a long thin iron
meteor?)

Vince
Meteors are not man-made either. It's the same concept as an armor
piercing tank round. Long and thin to concentrate the density in a
small frontal cross section. And it would not really have a curved end
like a crowbar. I hope.

Dean

Dean A. Markley wrote:
Vince wrote:
Ian MacLure wrote:
Clark wrote in
:

[snip]

Speed kills. Blast kills. How much energy is delivered to the
target? That question is all that matters.

Yup, if you drop a common 30-50lb crowbar from orbit
its going to inflict a world of hurt on whatever it hits
notwithstanding its simply an inert piece of metal.

IBM


a crowbar probably would not hit the ground (ever seen a long thin
iron meteor?)

Vince
Meteors are not man-made either. It's the same concept as an armor
piercing tank round. Long and thin to concentrate the density in a
small frontal cross section. And it would not really have a curved end
like a crowbar. I hope.

Dean

are we still talking about dropping from orbit?


Vince

Vince wrote:
Dean A. Markley wrote:
Vince wrote:
Ian MacLure wrote:
Clark wrote in
:

[snip]

Speed kills. Blast kills. How much energy is delivered to the
target? That question is all that matters.

Yup, if you drop a common 30-50lb crowbar from orbit
its going to inflict a world of hurt on whatever it hits
notwithstanding its simply an inert piece of metal.

IBM


a crowbar probably would not hit the ground (ever seen a long thin
iron meteor?)

Vince
Meteors are not man-made either. It's the same concept as an armor
piercing tank round. Long and thin to concentrate the density in a
small frontal cross section. And it would not really have a curved
end like a crowbar. I hope.

Dean

are we still talking about dropping from orbit?


Vince
I think so...

"Dean A. Markley" wrote in message
. ..
Vince wrote:
Dean A. Markley wrote:
Vince wrote:
Ian MacLure wrote:
Clark wrote in
:

[snip]

Speed kills. Blast kills. How much energy is delivered to the target?
That question is all that matters.

Yup, if you drop a common 30-50lb crowbar from orbit
its going to inflict a world of hurt on whatever it hits
notwithstanding its simply an inert piece of metal.

IBM


a crowbar probably would not hit the ground (ever seen a long thin
iron meteor?)

Vince
Meteors are not man-made either. It's the same concept as an armor
piercing tank round. Long and thin to concentrate the density in a
small frontal cross section. And it would not really have a curved end
like a crowbar. I hope.

Dean

are we still talking about dropping from orbit?


Vince
I think so...

Project Thor I think was the name proposed. There are severe problems
with targetting however. Looking through the plasma generated by
reentry is a major problem and at hypersonic speeds last minute
manoeveuring is not a real option.

Keith

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:12:01 -0500, "Dean A. Markley"
wrote:

And it would not really have a curved end
like a crowbar. I hope.

Have no fear, there is no curve in a crowbar. Not to be confused with
a wrecking bar, which is obviously what you have in mind.

Casady