Twin engine wing-jumper

On Feb 15, 9:56*am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:





On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. * What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Yeah with the 'old style' big suits and Strong containers stuffed with
T-10s and PCs.

I wonder what the sink rate of the plane was.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you are talking about the Twin Beech over Perris, the sink rate was
1000fpm @ 90-kts with the left engine pulled back to near idle, about
10deg of flap for a step for the jumpers. Started out at 14.5 How do I
know all that? Simple...I was the pilot. Two attempts were made that
day and on the first jump the lead jumper lost his grip as the 13th
was coming out the door so we did it again later that afternoon.
9-29-85

On Feb 15, 10:12 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:56 am, wrote:



On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Yeah with the 'old style' big suits and Strong containers stuffed with
T-10s and PCs.

I wonder what the sink rate of the plane was.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you are talking about the Twin Beech over Perris, the sink rate was
1000fpm @ 90-kts with the left engine pulled back to near idle, about
10deg of flap for a step for the jumpers. Started out at 14.5 How do I
know all that? Simple...I was the pilot. Two attempts were made that
day and on the first jump the lead jumper lost his grip as the 13th
was coming out the door so we did it again later that afternoon.
9-29-85

Thank you! I'd been seriously wondering about that ever since I saw
the pic. I started jumping in '84 on a paracommander and quickly
transitioned to a 9 cell after I stood up (once!) a PC (at 210#).

What was your favorite jump plane to fly?

I liked Caravans (nice big door) and Casa 212s (nice big ramp)...but
for just fun hanging upside down by your feet from the wing of a C182
or similar was always a hoot.

On Feb 15, 10:17*am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:12 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:





On Feb 15, 9:56 am, wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. * What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Yeah with the 'old style' big suits and Strong containers stuffed with
T-10s and PCs.

I wonder what the sink rate of the plane was.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you are talking about the Twin Beech over Perris, the sink rate was
1000fpm @ 90-kts with the left engine pulled back to near idle, about
10deg of flap for a step for the jumpers. Started out at 14.5 How do I
know all that? Simple...I was the pilot. Two attempts were made that
day and on the first jump the lead jumper lost his grip as the 13th
was coming out the door so we did it again later that afternoon.
9-29-85

Thank you! *I'd been seriously wondering about that ever since I saw
the pic. *I started jumping in '84 on a paracommander and quickly
transitioned to a 9 cell after I stood up (once!) a PC (at 210#).

What was your favorite jump plane to fly?

I liked Caravans (nice big door) and Casa 212s (nice big ramp)...but
for just fun hanging upside down by your feet from the wing of a C182
or similar was always a hoot.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The only time I ever got hurt jumping was a PC and I broke my heel.
That was jump #130+. did a hook turn too low and BAM.
As far as a favorite jump plane to fly, hard to say. Enjoyed the Casa,
BE 18, and of course all the usual singles. I began jumping in '59 at
Elsinore and my last one was in Perris out of a ****ter back about
'85+-. My wife did a tandem from 14.5 out of a ****ter at Moss Point
Mississippi a few years ago. Jumps from helicopters were fun and I
suppose my favorite was out of a C130 at 21,000 back in 61-62 in the
USMC. Early days of the HALO development near Yuma AZ. I think I
started pulling jumpers around 1964...with C-172's out near
Barstow,CA. A variety of aircraft since then.
Cheers
Rocky

On Feb 15, 11:21 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:17 am, wrote:



On Feb 15, 10:12 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:56 am, wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Yeah with the 'old style' big suits and Strong containers stuffed with
T-10s and PCs.

I wonder what the sink rate of the plane was.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you are talking about the Twin Beech over Perris, the sink rate was
1000fpm @ 90-kts with the left engine pulled back to near idle, about
10deg of flap for a step for the jumpers. Started out at 14.5 How do I
know all that? Simple...I was the pilot. Two attempts were made that
day and on the first jump the lead jumper lost his grip as the 13th
was coming out the door so we did it again later that afternoon.
9-29-85

Thank you! I'd been seriously wondering about that ever since I saw
the pic. I started jumping in '84 on a paracommander and quickly
transitioned to a 9 cell after I stood up (once!) a PC (at 210#).

What was your favorite jump plane to fly?

I liked Caravans (nice big door) and Casa 212s (nice big ramp)...but
for just fun hanging upside down by your feet from the wing of a C182
or similar was always a hoot.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The only time I ever got hurt jumping was a PC and I broke my heel.
That was jump #130+. did a hook turn too low and BAM.
As far as a favorite jump plane to fly, hard to say. Enjoyed the Casa,
BE 18, and of course all the usual singles. I began jumping in '59 at
Elsinore and my last one was in Perris out of a ****ter back about
'85+-. My wife did a tandem from 14.5 out of a ****ter at Moss Point
Mississippi a few years ago. Jumps from helicopters were fun and I
suppose my favorite was out of a C130 at 21,000 back in 61-62 in the
USMC. Early days of the HALO development near Yuma AZ. I think I
started pulling jumpers around 1964...with C-172's out near
Barstow,CA. A variety of aircraft since then.
Cheers
Rocky

'59....back when men were men, chutes were round and reserves were
"warts".

I performed my hook turn under my 9 cell and literally bounced but
only sprained my ankle. Never had a chance to jump the 18 but we had
one around. Did a high altitude out of a twinbo (noisiest airplane
with that 'charger on it) which was fun (22'K feet and had to go off
O2 to gear up for about 5 minutes...felt really interesting to jump
semi-hypoxic. Jumped a Cub once and hung off the little step (greasy-
bad move)...but it was the little things that made it enjoyable-
watching a C-47 fire up at dusk with the blue flames popping out the
exhaust...jumping into a crystal clear spring se texas morning sky and
then looking down 45 seconds later to see nothing but ground fog from
horizon to horizon.

The most fun might be the Longranger jump and gave me a new
appreciation for the use of safety cables in movie stunts as I see no
way a man hanging on a skid could climb back into one.

A C130. Sigh. Always wanted to jump one of those....and the jet jump
at Quincy would have been fun too. Slow down to terminal velocity
would be interesting.

I jumped video from '89 til '95 and quit just shy of 1000 jumps when I
realized that my ears weren't clearing until Thursday the following
week and my neck was getting beat up from the video gear...approaching
40 at that time didn't have anything to do with it I'm sure. ;-)

Blue skies,
Richard

On Feb 15, 12:39*pm, wrote:
On Feb 15, 11:21 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:





On Feb 15, 10:17 am, wrote:

On Feb 15, 10:12 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:56 am, wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. * What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech.. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Yeah with the 'old style' big suits and Strong containers stuffed with
T-10s and PCs.

I wonder what the sink rate of the plane was.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you are talking about the Twin Beech over Perris, the sink rate was
1000fpm @ 90-kts with the left engine pulled back to near idle, about
10deg of flap for a step for the jumpers. Started out at 14.5 How do I
know all that? Simple...I was the pilot. Two attempts were made that
day and on the first jump the lead jumper lost his grip as the 13th
was coming out the door so we did it again later that afternoon.
9-29-85

Thank you! *I'd been seriously wondering about that ever since I saw
the pic. *I started jumping in '84 on a paracommander and quickly
transitioned to a 9 cell after I stood up (once!) a PC (at 210#).

What was your favorite jump plane to fly?

I liked Caravans (nice big door) and Casa 212s (nice big ramp)...but
for just fun hanging upside down by your feet from the wing of a C182
or similar was always a hoot.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The only time I ever got hurt jumping was a PC and I broke my heel.
That was jump #130+. did a hook turn too low and BAM.
As far as a favorite jump plane to fly, hard to say. Enjoyed the Casa,
BE 18, and of course all the usual singles. I began jumping in '59 at
Elsinore and my last one was in Perris out of a ****ter back about
'85+-. My wife did a tandem from 14.5 out of a ****ter at Moss Point
Mississippi a few years ago. Jumps from helicopters were fun and I
suppose my favorite was out of a C130 at 21,000 back in 61-62 in the
USMC. Early days of the HALO development near Yuma AZ. I think I
started pulling jumpers around 1964...with C-172's out near
Barstow,CA. A variety of aircraft since then.
Cheers
Rocky

'59....back when men were men, chutes were round and reserves were
"warts".

I performed my hook turn under my 9 cell and literally bounced but
only sprained my ankle. *Never had a chance to jump the 18 but we had
one around. *Did a high altitude out of a twinbo (noisiest airplane
with that 'charger on it) which was fun (22'K feet and had to go off
O2 to gear up for about 5 minutes...felt really interesting to jump
semi-hypoxic. *Jumped a Cub once and hung off the little step (greasy-
bad move)...but it was the little things that made it enjoyable-
watching a C-47 fire up at dusk with the blue flames popping out the
exhaust...jumping into a crystal clear spring se texas morning sky and
then looking down 45 seconds later to see nothing but ground fog from
horizon to horizon.

The most fun might be the Longranger jump and gave me a new
appreciation for the use of safety cables in movie stunts as I see no
way a man hanging on a skid could climb back into one.

A C130. *Sigh. *Always wanted to jump one of those....and the jet jump
at Quincy would have been fun too. *Slow down to terminal velocity
would be interesting.

I jumped video from '89 til '95 and quit just shy of 1000 jumps when I
realized that my ears weren't clearing until Thursday the following
week and my neck was getting beat up from the video gear...approaching
40 at that time didn't have anything to do with it I'm sure. *;-)

Blue skies,
Richard- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Richard
I did a lot of hanging around with the Paraventure Inc guys, Bob
Sinclair, Dave Burt, Jim Hall, Don Rumble and a host of other old
timers. What adventures they were! Some of my most fun jumps were out
of country like down in the Andes when the DZ was at 10,000' in Quito,
Ecuador. Hit like a ton of schitt!
Cheers
Rocky

I bought a poster of this sometime ago. I think the whole plane flipped
inverted during one of these attempts and everyone got dumped off. AWESOME
poster!!


"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in message
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On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in message
...
On Feb 15, 12:39 pm, wrote:
On Feb 15, 11:21 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:





On Feb 15, 10:17 am, wrote:

On Feb 15, 10:12 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:56 am, wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful"
wrote:

On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up
in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever
since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes
some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin
Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Yeah with the 'old style' big suits and Strong containers stuffed
with
T-10s and PCs.

I wonder what the sink rate of the plane was.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you are talking about the Twin Beech over Perris, the sink rate
was
1000fpm @ 90-kts with the left engine pulled back to near idle,
about
10deg of flap for a step for the jumpers. Started out at 14.5 How do
I
know all that? Simple...I was the pilot. Two attempts were made that
day and on the first jump the lead jumper lost his grip as the 13th
was coming out the door so we did it again later that afternoon.
9-29-85

Thank you! I'd been seriously wondering about that ever since I saw
the pic. I started jumping in '84 on a paracommander and quickly
transitioned to a 9 cell after I stood up (once!) a PC (at 210#).

What was your favorite jump plane to fly?

I liked Caravans (nice big door) and Casa 212s (nice big ramp)...but
for just fun hanging upside down by your feet from the wing of a C182
or similar was always a hoot.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The only time I ever got hurt jumping was a PC and I broke my heel.
That was jump #130+. did a hook turn too low and BAM.
As far as a favorite jump plane to fly, hard to say. Enjoyed the Casa,
BE 18, and of course all the usual singles. I began jumping in '59 at
Elsinore and my last one was in Perris out of a ****ter back about
'85+-. My wife did a tandem from 14.5 out of a ****ter at Moss Point
Mississippi a few years ago. Jumps from helicopters were fun and I
suppose my favorite was out of a C130 at 21,000 back in 61-62 in the
USMC. Early days of the HALO development near Yuma AZ. I think I
started pulling jumpers around 1964...with C-172's out near
Barstow,CA. A variety of aircraft since then.
Cheers
Rocky

'59....back when men were men, chutes were round and reserves were
"warts".

I performed my hook turn under my 9 cell and literally bounced but
only sprained my ankle. Never had a chance to jump the 18 but we had
one around. Did a high altitude out of a twinbo (noisiest airplane
with that 'charger on it) which was fun (22'K feet and had to go off
O2 to gear up for about 5 minutes...felt really interesting to jump
semi-hypoxic. Jumped a Cub once and hung off the little step (greasy-
bad move)...but it was the little things that made it enjoyable-
watching a C-47 fire up at dusk with the blue flames popping out the
exhaust...jumping into a crystal clear spring se texas morning sky and
then looking down 45 seconds later to see nothing but ground fog from
horizon to horizon.

The most fun might be the Longranger jump and gave me a new
appreciation for the use of safety cables in movie stunts as I see no
way a man hanging on a skid could climb back into one.

A C130. Sigh. Always wanted to jump one of those....and the jet jump
at Quincy would have been fun too. Slow down to terminal velocity
would be interesting.

I jumped video from '89 til '95 and quit just shy of 1000 jumps when I
realized that my ears weren't clearing until Thursday the following
week and my neck was getting beat up from the video gear...approaching
40 at that time didn't have anything to do with it I'm sure. ;-)

Blue skies,
Richard- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Richard
I did a lot of hanging around with the Paraventure Inc guys, Bob
Sinclair, Dave Burt, Jim Hall, Don Rumble and a host of other old
timers. What adventures they were! Some of my most fun jumps were out
of country like down in the Andes when the DZ was at 10,000' in Quito,
Ecuador. Hit like a ton of schitt!
Cheers
Rocky

Rocky,

Did the 'whole plane' get flipped inverted on 'one of these' attempts?

I don't see how...but still.

I remember ****ing off the pilot on a hop'n pop and whacking the stab with
my throw out chute....

On Feb 16, 5:37*pm, "BakedandFried" wrote:
"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in ...
On Feb 15, 12:39 pm, wrote:





On Feb 15, 11:21 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 15, 10:17 am, wrote:

On Feb 15, 10:12 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:56 am, wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful"
wrote:

On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up
in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever
since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes
some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin
Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Yeah with the 'old style' big suits and Strong containers stuffed
with
T-10s and PCs.

I wonder what the sink rate of the plane was.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you are talking about the Twin Beech over Perris, the sink rate
was
1000fpm @ 90-kts with the left engine pulled back to near idle,
about
10deg of flap for a step for the jumpers. Started out at 14.5 How do
I
know all that? Simple...I was the pilot. Two attempts were made that
day and on the first jump the lead jumper lost his grip as the 13th
was coming out the door so we did it again later that afternoon.
9-29-85

Thank you! I'd been seriously wondering about that ever since I saw
the pic. I started jumping in '84 on a paracommander and quickly
transitioned to a 9 cell after I stood up (once!) a PC (at 210#).

What was your favorite jump plane to fly?

I liked Caravans (nice big door) and Casa 212s (nice big ramp)...but
for just fun hanging upside down by your feet from the wing of a C182
or similar was always a hoot.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The only time I ever got hurt jumping was a PC and I broke my heel.
That was jump #130+. did a hook turn too low and BAM.
As far as a favorite jump plane to fly, hard to say. Enjoyed the Casa,
BE 18, and of course all the usual singles. I began jumping in '59 at
Elsinore and my last one was in Perris out of a ****ter back about
'85+-. My wife did a tandem from 14.5 out of a ****ter at Moss Point
Mississippi a few years ago. Jumps from helicopters were fun and I
suppose my favorite was out of a C130 at 21,000 back in 61-62 in the
USMC. Early days of the HALO development near Yuma AZ. I think I
started pulling jumpers around 1964...with C-172's out near
Barstow,CA. A variety of aircraft since then.
Cheers
Rocky

'59....back when men were men, chutes were round and reserves were
"warts".

I performed my hook turn under my 9 cell and literally bounced but
only sprained my ankle. Never had a chance to jump the 18 but we had
one around. Did a high altitude out of a twinbo (noisiest airplane
with that 'charger on it) which was fun (22'K feet and had to go off
O2 to gear up for about 5 minutes...felt really interesting to jump
semi-hypoxic. Jumped a Cub once and hung off the little step (greasy-
bad move)...but it was the little things that made it enjoyable-
watching a C-47 fire up at dusk with the blue flames popping out the
exhaust...jumping into a crystal clear spring se texas morning sky and
then looking down 45 seconds later to see nothing but ground fog from
horizon to horizon.

The most fun might be the Longranger jump and gave me a new
appreciation for the use of safety cables in movie stunts as I see no
way a man hanging on a skid could climb back into one.

A C130. Sigh. Always wanted to jump one of those....and the jet jump
at Quincy would have been fun too. Slow down to terminal velocity
would be interesting.

I jumped video from '89 til '95 and quit just shy of 1000 jumps when I
realized that my ears weren't clearing until Thursday the following
week and my neck was getting beat up from the video gear...approaching
40 at that time didn't have anything to do with it I'm sure. ;-)

Blue skies,
Richard- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Richard
I did a lot of hanging around with the Paraventure Inc guys, Bob
Sinclair, Dave Burt, Jim Hall, Don Rumble and a host of other old
timers. What adventures they were! Some of my most fun jumps were out
of country like down in the Andes when the DZ was at 10,000' in Quito,
Ecuador. Hit like a ton of schitt!
Cheers
Rocky

Rocky,

Did the 'whole plane' get flipped inverted on 'one of these' attempts?

I don't see how...but still.

I remember ****ing off the pilot on a hop'n pop and whacking the stab with
my throw out chute....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

NO the airplane did NOT flip inverted. Didn't even get close to it. It
wallowed after a fashion as the jumpers got outside and it got
"dirty". I did have pretty close to full aileron holding the wing up,
and a lot of rudder. That was the reason I pulled the power back on
the left engine to reduce prop blast so they could get out without
fighting the airflow. I had it going downhill to maintain directional
control at a reasonable speed. None of us knew how it would fly as
they got outside and the drag increased. I was very pleasently
surprised at how controllable it was. The 13 were all outside for at
least a minute while pics were taken and then they began peeling off.
One of the guys on top turned to dive off the top of the fuselage and
when he kind of "popped up" to jump off, the airblast caught him by
surprise and he smacked the horizontal or vertical stabilizer (not
sure which) and it knocked him silly, split his lips and sprayed blood
all over the place. One of the other jumpers grabbed his harness and
stayed with him until the guy pulled down around 4K. I think video was
taken but I never saw any of it...just the stills.
A Marine name of Bob Thundercloud was the instigator of the jumps and
was on the first one. Several of those jumpers have since died from
different causes and "TC" was the only name I can recall. Oh, the name
of the chase plane pilot with the photog is Bruce Folks. Long time
friend of mine and another pro pilot.
Best Regards
Rocky

"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in message
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On Feb 16, 5:37 pm, "BakedandFried" wrote:
"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in
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On Feb 15, 12:39 pm, wrote:





On Feb 15, 11:21 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 15, 10:17 am, wrote:

On Feb 15, 10:12 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:56 am, wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful"
wrote:

On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up
in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar
ever
since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes
some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin
Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Yeah with the 'old style' big suits and Strong containers
stuffed
with
T-10s and PCs.

I wonder what the sink rate of the plane was.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

If you are talking about the Twin Beech over Perris, the sink rate
was
1000fpm @ 90-kts with the left engine pulled back to near idle,
about
10deg of flap for a step for the jumpers. Started out at 14.5 How
do
I
know all that? Simple...I was the pilot. Two attempts were made
that
day and on the first jump the lead jumper lost his grip as the
13th
was coming out the door so we did it again later that afternoon.
9-29-85

Thank you! I'd been seriously wondering about that ever since I saw
the pic. I started jumping in '84 on a paracommander and quickly
transitioned to a 9 cell after I stood up (once!) a PC (at 210#).

What was your favorite jump plane to fly?

I liked Caravans (nice big door) and Casa 212s (nice big ramp)...but
for just fun hanging upside down by your feet from the wing of a
C182
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The only time I ever got hurt jumping was a PC and I broke my heel.
That was jump #130+. did a hook turn too low and BAM.
As far as a favorite jump plane to fly, hard to say. Enjoyed the Casa,
BE 18, and of course all the usual singles. I began jumping in '59 at
Elsinore and my last one was in Perris out of a ****ter back about
'85+-. My wife did a tandem from 14.5 out of a ****ter at Moss Point
Mississippi a few years ago. Jumps from helicopters were fun and I
suppose my favorite was out of a C130 at 21,000 back in 61-62 in the
USMC. Early days of the HALO development near Yuma AZ. I think I
started pulling jumpers around 1964...with C-172's out near
Barstow,CA. A variety of aircraft since then.
Cheers
Rocky

'59....back when men were men, chutes were round and reserves were
"warts".

I performed my hook turn under my 9 cell and literally bounced but
only sprained my ankle. Never had a chance to jump the 18 but we had
one around. Did a high altitude out of a twinbo (noisiest airplane
with that 'charger on it) which was fun (22'K feet and had to go off
O2 to gear up for about 5 minutes...felt really interesting to jump
semi-hypoxic. Jumped a Cub once and hung off the little step (greasy-
bad move)...but it was the little things that made it enjoyable-
watching a C-47 fire up at dusk with the blue flames popping out the
exhaust...jumping into a crystal clear spring se texas morning sky and
then looking down 45 seconds later to see nothing but ground fog from
horizon to horizon.

The most fun might be the Longranger jump and gave me a new
appreciation for the use of safety cables in movie stunts as I see no
way a man hanging on a skid could climb back into one.

A C130. Sigh. Always wanted to jump one of those....and the jet jump
at Quincy would have been fun too. Slow down to terminal velocity
would be interesting.

I jumped video from '89 til '95 and quit just shy of 1000 jumps when I
realized that my ears weren't clearing until Thursday the following
week and my neck was getting beat up from the video gear...approaching
40 at that time didn't have anything to do with it I'm sure. ;-)

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Richard
I did a lot of hanging around with the Paraventure Inc guys, Bob
Sinclair, Dave Burt, Jim Hall, Don Rumble and a host of other old
timers. What adventures they were! Some of my most fun jumps were out
of country like down in the Andes when the DZ was at 10,000' in Quito,
Ecuador. Hit like a ton of schitt!
Cheers
Rocky

Rocky,

Did the 'whole plane' get flipped inverted on 'one of these' attempts?

I don't see how...but still.

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NO the airplane did NOT flip inverted. Didn't even get close to it. It
wallowed after a fashion as the jumpers got outside and it got
"dirty". I did have pretty close to full aileron holding the wing up,
and a lot of rudder. That was the reason I pulled the power back on
the left engine to reduce prop blast so they could get out without
fighting the airflow. I had it going downhill to maintain directional
control at a reasonable speed. None of us knew how it would fly as
they got outside and the drag increased. I was very pleasently
surprised at how controllable it was. The 13 were all outside for at
least a minute while pics were taken and then they began peeling off.
One of the guys on top turned to dive off the top of the fuselage and
when he kind of "popped up" to jump off, the airblast caught him by
surprise and he smacked the horizontal or vertical stabilizer (not
sure which) and it knocked him silly, split his lips and sprayed blood
all over the place. One of the other jumpers grabbed his harness and
stayed with him until the guy pulled down around 4K. I think video was
taken but I never saw any of it...just the stills.
A Marine name of Bob Thundercloud was the instigator of the jumps and
was on the first one. Several of those jumpers have since died from
different causes and "TC" was the only name I can recall. Oh, the name
of the chase plane pilot with the photog is Bruce Folks. Long time
friend of mine and another pro pilot.
Best Regards
Rocky


Very interesting story Rocky,

I've seen these pics over the years but never heard any details. BTW- we
jumped a Beech 18 at Zhills for an entire summer. The DZ's Casa had been
replaced by a DC3 which a few months later crashed with about 40 jumpers (no
injuries!) so we were left to jump the Beech. Never could get used to diving
and tripping on that little door threshold on the way out. I preferred rear
floater position on that plane because I was spooked by the stab. My long
arms allowed me to hang low at the rear of the door and just drop off. When
the winter season came into full swing the Beech 18 was replaced by a King
Air....., one of my favorite jump ships (next to the DC3!)

Blue Skies, Tony P.

On Feb 14, 7:42*pm, "gatt" wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. * What do you guys think of this?

-c

Looks like fun. I would wear shoes though.

Wil