Stalls??

Big John wrote:
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But when they break to a stall, it happens abruptly, at too
low a speed. They are totally stalled, and to boot one wing always
stalls first, falls of and immediately a spin develops in that
direction. One simply has to know that slow flight is always a touchy
thing to do and airspeed observation is crucial. The Mooney series
has leading edge stall strips about 30% out from the wing root to make
the stall beak earlier at a faster airspeed where control effectivenes
is better. light and powerful rudder and you have one easily spun
airplane.


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Angelo campanella

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Angelo

Stall strip on inboard portion of wings are to cause the inboard
section of wing to stall before the tips, where ailerons are located..

This is to give you some aileron control in early part of a stall.

You say "But when they break to a stall, it happens abruptly, at too
low a speed".

I've stalled aircraft at 400-500 mph. Not a big deal.

Big John

I agree John. I hate to see stall linked to airspeed in any way but to
note that the stall speeds on the ASI are based on 1g flight at a
specific gross weight.
I don't even like stall warning devices. I want pilots recognizing
approach to stall by how the airplane feels and is behaving.

--
Dudley Henriques

Big John wrote:
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You have to be able to fly an airplane comfortably at the edge of a
stall or you're not as safe as you might or can be.


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Bertie


Better words were never said.


Big John

Actually there were better words.

It happened one night when I was eighteen in the back seat of a borrowed
Chevy when Nancy Ann Brown told me;
"YES"
:-))

--
Dudley Henriques

On Feb 17, 8:56*am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Big John wrote:
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*You have to be able to fly an airplane comfortably at the edge of a
stall or you're not as safe as you might or can be.

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Bertie

Better words were never said.

Big John

Actually there were better words.

It happened one night when I was eighteen in the back seat of a borrowed
Chevy when Nancy Ann Brown told me;
"YES" and thus began my descent into wine women and song.
:-))


LOL
Let me guess, Nancy Ann Brown was 85? :-P

Cheers

On Feb 17, 8:56*am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Big John wrote:
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*You have to be able to fly an airplane comfortably at the edge of a
stall or you're not as safe as you might or can be.

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Bertie

Better words were never said.

Big John

Actually there were better words.

It happened one night when I was eighteen in the back seat of a borrowed
Chevy when Nancy Ann Brown told me;
"YES"
:-))


She said nothing .

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rita/.../g0000044.html

Cheers (ducking)

On Feb 17, 8:56*am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Big John wrote:
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*You have to be able to fly an airplane comfortably at the edge of a
stall or you're not as safe as you might or can be.

************************************************** ******************

Bertie

Better words were never said.

Big John

Actually there were better words.

It happened one night when I was eighteen in the back seat of a borrowed
Chevy when Nancy Ann Brown told me;
"YES"
:-))


Err, I hope that was Mrs. H! :-0 :-)))

Cheers

On Feb 17, 8:51*am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Big John wrote:
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* *But when they break to a stall, it happens abruptly, at too
low a speed. They are totally stalled, and to boot one wing always
stalls first, falls of and immediately a spin develops in that
direction. One simply has to know that slow flight is always a touchy
thing to do and airspeed observation is crucial. *The Mooney series
has leading edge stall strips about 30% out from the wing root to make
the stall beak earlier at a faster airspeed where control effectivenes
is better. light and powerful rudder and you have one easily spun
airplane.

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* * * * * *Angelo campanella

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Angelo

Stall strip on inboard portion of wings are to cause the inboard
section of wing to stall before the tips, where ailerons are located..

This is to give you some aileron control in early part of a stall.

You *say "But when they break to a stall, it happens abruptly, at too
low a speed".

I've stalled aircraft at 400-500 mph. Not a big deal.

Big John

I agree John. I hate to see stall linked to airspeed in any way but to
note that the stall speeds on the ASI are based on 1g flight at a
specific gross weight.
I don't even like stall warning devices. I want pilots recognizing
approach to stall by how the airplane feels and is behaving.


I think a still warning device is very useful for a pilot who is
preoccupied with other tasks. A question, will a typical air pressure
stall warning always sound off at the same AOA regardless of speed
you are flying at? (I know really fast planes use a vane device to
measure it directly).

Cheers

WingFlaps wrote in
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On Feb 17, 8:51*am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Big John wrote:
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* *But when they break to a stall, it happens abruptly, at too
low a speed. They are totally stalled, and to boot one wing always
stalls first, falls of and immediately a spin develops in that
direction. One simply has to know that slow flight is always a
touchy thing to do and airspeed observation is crucial. *The Mooney
series has leading edge stall strips about 30% out from the wing
root to make the stall beak earlier at a faster airspeed where
control effectivenes is better. light and powerful rudder and you
have one easily spun airplane.

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* * * * * *Angelo campanella


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Angelo

Stall strip on inboard portion of wings are to cause the inboard
section of wing to stall before the tips, where ailerons are
located..

This is to give you some aileron control in early part of a stall.

You *say "But when they break to a stall, it happens abruptly, at
too low a speed".

I've stalled aircraft at 400-500 mph. Not a big deal.

Big John

I agree John. I hate to see stall linked to airspeed in any way but
to note that the stall speeds on the ASI are based on 1g flight at a
specific gross weight.
I don't even like stall warning devices. I want pilots recognizing
approach to stall by how the airplane feels and is behaving.


I think a still warning device is very useful for a pilot who is
preoccupied with other tasks. A question, will a typical air pressure
stall warning always sound off at the same AOA regardless of speed
you are flying at? (I know really fast planes use a vane device to
measure it directly).


I think so. They certainly squeak at about the right time in accelerated
stalls.


Bertie

WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 17, 8:56 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Big John wrote:
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You have to be able to fly an airplane comfortably at the edge of a
stall or you're not as safe as you might or can be.
************************************************** ******************
Bertie
Better words were never said.
Big John
Actually there were better words.

It happened one night when I was eighteen in the back seat of a borrowed
Chevy when Nancy Ann Brown told me;
"YES"
:-))


Err, I hope that was Mrs. H! :-0 :-)))

Cheers

Nope. Met Mrs. H when I was 28. Been together ever since. This was
during my "learning period" :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 17, 8:56 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Big John wrote:
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You have to be able to fly an airplane comfortably at the edge of
a
stall or you're not as safe as you might or can be.
************************************************** ******************
Bertie
Better words were never said.
Big John
Actually there were better words.

It happened one night when I was eighteen in the back seat of a
borrowed Chevy when Nancy Ann Brown told me;
"YES"
:-))


Err, I hope that was Mrs. H! :-0 :-)))

Cheers

Nope. Met Mrs. H when I was 28. Been together ever since. This was
during my "learning period" :-))


Hope you had your training wheels on.


bertie

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:51:37 -0500, Dudley Henriques
wrote:

Big John wrote:
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But when they break to a stall, it happens abruptly, at too
low a speed. They are totally stalled, and to boot one wing always
stalls first, falls of and immediately a spin develops in that
direction. One simply has to know that slow flight is always a touchy
thing to do and airspeed observation is crucial. The Mooney series
has leading edge stall strips about 30% out from the wing root to make
the stall beak earlier at a faster airspeed where control effectivenes
is better. light and powerful rudder and you have one easily spun
airplane.


-------------------------clip---------------------


Angelo campanella

************************************************** *************************

Angelo

Stall strip on inboard portion of wings are to cause the inboard
section of wing to stall before the tips, where ailerons are located..

This is to give you some aileron control in early part of a stall.

You say "But when they break to a stall, it happens abruptly, at too
low a speed".

I've stalled aircraft at 400-500 mph. Not a big deal.

Big John

I agree John. I hate to see stall linked to airspeed in any way but to
note that the stall speeds on the ASI are based on 1g flight at a
specific gross weight.
I don't even like stall warning devices. I want pilots recognizing
approach to stall by how the airplane feels and is behaving.

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Dudley

No one learns to fly by feel any more and haven't for years.

I saw many Air Force students that could fly 60/30 super. They made
adequate bomber and transport pilots but were an accident waiting to
happen in Fighters.

Guess I was lucky (or damn good). I was able to recognize approaching
a stall in all the aircraft I have flown and was able to take
corrective action if it was inadvertent. Best I can remember was roll
off to a max of 90 degrees before I stopped roll and recovered with a
minimum loss of altitude. If a bird departs you need to get ahead of
it immediately.

I've been in programs where the airspeed was taped over and bird flown
and landed without it. Closest I've come to flying by feel since my
open cockpit days.

All this being said, if you get a nervous nellie then they are unable
to even stand a program like that even if it might save their life
some day.

And a good day to you and all.

Big John