Twin engine wing-jumper

On Feb 16, 12:34 am, "Ted" TBBlakeley@comcastDOTnet wrote:
I bought a poster of this sometime ago. I think the whole plane flipped
inverted during one of these attempts and everyone got dumped off. AWESOME
poster!!

"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in ...
On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Oh hell yes.

I was shooting video for the 1994 Ballunar Fest in Houston and we were
jumping an older DeHavilland Caribou... The group of jumpers was
Deguello, a 20 person competitive jump team with about 35-50 persons
all told either in or out at any given time.

The PIC told the team capt that we could crowd as tight as we liked on
the ramp prior to exit as there was no way in hell we could stall his
aircraft, even jumping at 13K+ ft. This is filed under famous last
words...

I'm 1st out hanging on by literally a toe and my right hand while the
gang o' 40 is piling up on the ramp. I'd been either practicing or
jumping in competition for the past 4 years so I'd gotten used to the
'feel' of a group giving the exit count...as this one got to 'ready' -
'set' = 'go' I felt a beautifully timed change of pitch just as 'go'
was uttered...I mean it was if the pilot had been listening in and was
an excellent jumper...the ramp literally fell away beneath my 'toe!'.

On the ground after I found a few battered jumpers some of whom had
made their last jump for the weeknd having endured gashes and what not
upon the exit which I found was not the smoothly choreographed thing
of beauty after all but rather was a floundering en masse exit of a
plane in a high speed stall. Seemed that nice pitch out was the plane
stalling.....

So we did it again at a higher speed...but this time I was on trail
exit...and this time I got to not only stumble, fall and land on my
chest while watching the 'clump' fall away but got to experience
jumpers stumbling, tripping and stepping on me while I hung over and
finally pulled my way over the edge of the ramp to exit the Caribou.
Big fun...so much for 'you can't stall my aircraft'.

I'm sorry, but if you plant 40 jumpers at an avg weight of ~190lbs on
the ramp (all ON the ramp) of a Caribou...the plane is gonna
stall....because while they might start out spread out
comfortably...when the count starts they will literally be hugging
each other en masse. Think of an orgy only closer.

The exciting part was watching the video fo the jumps...each jump
captured (from the 1st exit video) a shot of the plane as jumpers came
out...and on each jump the port side was trailing a little
smoke...then a little more...then aliitle more....then a lot....

On sunday the PIC said...'enough' and we didnt' jump...he
taxiid...rotated...and blew a jug and did a nice 180 and landed with a
fist sized hole in one fo the cylinders.

Sigh. The good. Old. Days.

On Feb 17, 7:24*pm, wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:34 am, "Ted" TBBlakeley@comcastDOTnet wrote:





I bought a poster of this sometime ago. * I think the whole plane flipped
inverted during one of these attempts and everyone got dumped off. *AWESOME
poster!!

"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in ...
On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Oh hell yes.

I was shooting video for the 1994 Ballunar Fest in Houston and we were
jumping an older DeHavilland Caribou... *The group of jumpers was
Deguello, a 20 person competitive jump team with about 35-50 persons
all told either in or out at any given time.

The PIC told the team capt that we could crowd as tight as we liked on
the ramp prior to exit as there was no way in hell we could stall his
aircraft, even jumping at 13K+ ft. *This is filed under famous last
words...

I'm 1st out hanging on by literally a toe and my right hand while the
gang o' 40 is piling up on the ramp. *I'd been either practicing or
jumping in competition for the past 4 years so I'd gotten used to the
'feel' of a group giving the exit count...as this one got to 'ready' -
'set' = 'go' I felt a beautifully timed change of pitch just as 'go'
was uttered...I mean it was if the pilot had been listening in and was
an excellent jumper...the ramp literally fell away beneath my 'toe!'.

On the ground after I found a few battered jumpers some of whom had
made their last jump for the weeknd having endured gashes and what not
upon the exit which I found was not the smoothly choreographed thing
of beauty after all but rather was a floundering en masse exit of a
plane in a high speed stall. *Seemed that nice pitch out was the plane
stalling.....

So we did it again at a higher speed...but this time I was on trail
exit...and this time I got to not only stumble, fall and land on my
chest while watching the 'clump' fall away but got to experience
jumpers stumbling, tripping and stepping on me while I hung over and
finally pulled my way over the edge of the ramp to exit the Caribou.
Big fun...so much for 'you can't stall my aircraft'.

I'm sorry, but if you plant 40 jumpers at an avg weight of ~190lbs on
the ramp (all ON the ramp) of a Caribou...the plane is gonna
stall....because while they might start out spread out
comfortably...when the count starts they will literally be hugging
each other en masse. *Think of an orgy only closer.

The exciting part was watching the video fo the jumps...each jump
captured (from the 1st exit video) a shot of the plane as jumpers came
out...and on each jump the port side was *trailing a little
smoke...then a little more...then aliitle more....then a lot....

On sunday the PIC said...'enough' and we didnt' jump...he
taxiid...rotated...and blew a jug and did a nice 180 and landed with a
fist sized hole in one fo the cylinders.

Sigh. *The good. *Old. Days.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Then there was the time at Perris with the D-18 when I was pulling a
load up thru various altitudes, a couple here, a few there and we were
headed for 12.5 for some AAF with 4 guys left. Don Balch was the JM
and I was doing a racetrack pattern in the climb. As we were going
thru 11K, I lost the blower on the right engine on the jump leg and I
hollered back "JUMP RUN" and Balch comes forward pointing at his
altimeter saying "12.5" and I replied "We lost our right engine..."
and he didn't even slow down as he smoothly pivoted around hollering
"JUMP RUN" and they all headed out. I'm still laughing at how little
argument I got for the low jump run...!

On Feb 17, 8:37 pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
On Feb 17, 7:24 pm, wrote:



On Feb 16, 12:34 am, "Ted" TBBlakeley@comcastDOTnet wrote:

I bought a poster of this sometime ago. I think the whole plane flipped
inverted during one of these attempts and everyone got dumped off. AWESOME
poster!!

"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in ...
On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech. Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Oh hell yes.

I was shooting video for the 1994 Ballunar Fest in Houston and we were
jumping an older DeHavilland Caribou... The group of jumpers was
Deguello, a 20 person competitive jump team with about 35-50 persons
all told either in or out at any given time.

The PIC told the team capt that we could crowd as tight as we liked on
the ramp prior to exit as there was no way in hell we could stall his
aircraft, even jumping at 13K+ ft. This is filed under famous last
words...

I'm 1st out hanging on by literally a toe and my right hand while the
gang o' 40 is piling up on the ramp. I'd been either practicing or
jumping in competition for the past 4 years so I'd gotten used to the
'feel' of a group giving the exit count...as this one got to 'ready' -
'set' = 'go' I felt a beautifully timed change of pitch just as 'go'
was uttered...I mean it was if the pilot had been listening in and was
an excellent jumper...the ramp literally fell away beneath my 'toe!'.

On the ground after I found a few battered jumpers some of whom had
made their last jump for the weeknd having endured gashes and what not
upon the exit which I found was not the smoothly choreographed thing
of beauty after all but rather was a floundering en masse exit of a
plane in a high speed stall. Seemed that nice pitch out was the plane
stalling.....

So we did it again at a higher speed...but this time I was on trail
exit...and this time I got to not only stumble, fall and land on my
chest while watching the 'clump' fall away but got to experience
jumpers stumbling, tripping and stepping on me while I hung over and
finally pulled my way over the edge of the ramp to exit the Caribou.
Big fun...so much for 'you can't stall my aircraft'.

I'm sorry, but if you plant 40 jumpers at an avg weight of ~190lbs on
the ramp (all ON the ramp) of a Caribou...the plane is gonna
stall....because while they might start out spread out
comfortably...when the count starts they will literally be hugging
each other en masse. Think of an orgy only closer.

The exciting part was watching the video fo the jumps...each jump
captured (from the 1st exit video) a shot of the plane as jumpers came
out...and on each jump the port side was trailing a little
smoke...then a little more...then aliitle more....then a lot....

On sunday the PIC said...'enough' and we didnt' jump...he
taxiid...rotated...and blew a jug and did a nice 180 and landed with a
fist sized hole in one fo the cylinders.

Sigh. The good. Old. Days.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Then there was the time at Perris with the D-18 when I was pulling a
load up thru various altitudes, a couple here, a few there and we were
headed for 12.5 for some AAF with 4 guys left. Don Balch was the JM
and I was doing a racetrack pattern in the climb. As we were going
thru 11K, I lost the blower on the right engine on the jump leg and I
hollered back "JUMP RUN" and Balch comes forward pointing at his
altimeter saying "12.5" and I replied "We lost our right engine..."
and he didn't even slow down as he smoothly pivoted around hollering
"JUMP RUN" and they all headed out. I'm still laughing at how little
argument I got for the low jump run...!

Well, they only love you for the altitude after all. I remember my
first *landing* in a Cessna 210 after 100's of jumps. We cleared the
pines at the end of the runway going at some gawdawful speed such that
I knew we were gonna die in a flaming twisted pile of gas soaked
wreckage....musta been just above stall speed but compared to the
20~25mph full glide approach then 0 mph flare and touch down I was
used to under canopy this suicidal madness. Never did like Cessna
landings, ****ers were better, especially from the right seat. Had a
chance to do a little wingover once when the last (tandem) group left,
looked good on video. If you worked the angles right (as a camera
guy) you could keep the tandem and plane in frame for a good 10-15
seconds.

Pilots are nuts.... ;-)

(Please trim your quotes.)

On 2008-02-18, wrote:
Well, they only love you for the altitude after all. I remember my
first *landing* in a Cessna 210 after 100's of jumps. We cleared the
pines at the end of the runway going at some gawdawful speed such that
I knew we were gonna die in a flaming twisted pile of gas soaked
wreckage....musta been just above stall speed but compared to the
20~25mph full glide approach then 0 mph flare and touch down I was
used to under canopy this suicidal madness.

Once upon a time, I was talking to a skydiver I knew, and gave him the line
about being nuts for jumping out of a perfectly good airplane. He replied
that I was nuts for landing in one.

So, why did you ride that one back to the ground?
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

On Feb 18, 7:23 am, Jay Maynard
wrote:
(Please trim your quotes.)

On 2008-02-18, wrote:

Well, they only love you for the altitude after all. I remember my
first *landing* in a Cessna 210 after 100's of jumps. We cleared the
pines at the end of the runway going at some gawdawful speed such that
I knew we were gonna die in a flaming twisted pile of gas soaked
wreckage....musta been just above stall speed but compared to the
20~25mph full glide approach then 0 mph flare and touch down I was
used to under canopy this suicidal madness.

Once upon a time, I was talking to a skydiver I knew, and gave him the line
about being nuts for jumping out of a perfectly good airplane. He replied
that I was nuts for landing in one.

So, why did you ride that one back to the ground?
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.nethttp://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff athttp://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

Business flight, sorta. The owner of the DZ and 210 was performing
demo jumps for Remax (9 cell Avenger canopy, we called them
'Revengers' for the landing characteristics) and we were coming into
Redbird in Dallas.

Funny anecdote, a few weeks later we had a demo in San Angelo and were
departing Waller CC. I noticed that we passed south of the Austin
airport heading west and kept waiting for the turn to a more NW
heading. After about 10 minutes I asked Ed (I was in the rear seats,
his GF was in the co-pilot position) to show me San Angelo on his
sectional. Annoyed he pointed to it on the map....which was (I
assume, not being a sectional reading kinda jumper) the San Angelo
VOR, not the town. I pointed out that we would be somewhere north of
Big Bend, and we could land in Lajitas but that would make us late for
our jump in San Angelo which is UP HERE TO THE NORTH YOU IDJIT!

As reward I got to fly home the next day.

On 2008-02-18, wrote:
Funny anecdote, a few weeks later we had a demo in San Angelo and were
departing Waller CC.

Funny you should mention that: my step-grandfather was the guy who built
that airport and subdivision. He was convinced that people would line up to
buy houses there right next to the field. Time proved him wrong,
unfortunately; Waller was just too far out in the late 60s. I'm told I took
my first flight there in a 172, but I don't remember it. I visited it many
years later, and barely recognized the place.

As reward I got to fly home the next day.

Sounds like a fitting reward.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

On Feb 18, 7:59 am, Jay Maynard
wrote:
On 2008-02-18, wrote:

Funny anecdote, a few weeks later we had a demo in San Angelo and were
departing Waller CC.

Funny you should mention that: my step-grandfather was the guy who built
that airport and subdivision. He was convinced that people would line up to
buy houses there right next to the field. Time proved him wrong,
unfortunately; Waller was just too far out in the late 60s. I'm told I took
my first flight there in a 172, but I don't remember it. I visited it many
years later, and barely recognized the place.

As reward I got to fly home the next day.

Sounds like a fitting reward.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.nethttp://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff athttp://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

Back in '89 it was Skydive Texas until Ed Harris flew into some pine
trees in Lousiana and got himself killed. Then it reopened in '93 as
Skydive Houston and is still going strong. When I stopped jumping in
'95 even the swimming pool was up and running. Twinbo for awhile,
Casa 212 visiting, ****er, Cessnas. Fun times.

I used to be WB5LSF back in the '70s

"John Smith" wrote in message
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"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

Then there was the time at Perris with the D-18 when I was pulling a
load up thru various altitudes, a couple here, a few there and we were
headed for 12.5 for some AAF with 4 guys left. Don Balch was the JM
and I was doing a racetrack pattern in the climb. As we were going
thru 11K, I lost the blower on the right engine on the jump leg and I
hollered back "JUMP RUN" and Balch comes forward pointing at his
altimeter saying "12.5" and I replied "We lost our right engine..."
and he didn't even slow down as he smoothly pivoted around hollering
"JUMP RUN" and they all headed out. I'm still laughing at how little
argument I got for the low jump run...!

Brownies Lebanon Airport, Lebanon OH, circa 1972
After a wet Spring and several weeks of no jumping activity, the clouds
parted and the sun appeared for several days.
The C180 was untied and pulled out of the open T-hangar, the jumpers
were loaded and off they flew.
Passing through 3500 on the way up, smoke began waifting into the cabin
from under the instrument panel. As the pilot realized the source was
not within the aircraft cabin, he announced, "Boys, I think we got
a...", and before the word "fire" was out of his mouth, the jump door
was open and four jumpers were gone, leaving the pilot all alone.
Being a jump pilot in an airplane directly over an airport, he wasn't
about to join his recently departed charges.
Putting the nose down and performing the jump pilot descent, he was
quickly on the ground, stopped and shut down.
Unbuttoning the cowling revealed a recently constructed birds nest on
the rear cylinders on one side of the engine.

Funny!... Once, at a grass strip at a local airpark we had a visiting King
Air. Kind of a treat for the jumpers there that usually had only a 182. We
were 10-12 jumpers and were heading to altitude for our "big-way" jump when
we realized that a low cloud bank was moving south faster than we thought.
We were trying to squeeze a couple thousand feet more and got to about 10k
but by that time the DZ was fully covered. We decided to descend to the
cloud base and jump. We were on jump run at about 1800 with the plane up
into the clouds with just enough visibility to see. We decided, to heck with
it, a low hop n pop wasn't worth the trouble of repacking so we told the
pilot we would just land with the plane. He said that half of us would have
to get out or else he would have to land at a neighboring airport with a
real runway. I think he landed at the air park alone. :-) I also got to
make a high altitude jump there from that plane. 21,500 AGL.

I used to be WB5LSF back in the '70s

I used to be WN4GRG back in the '60s. I remember taking my General written
and code tests but I don't think I ever actually sent the
application......or maybe I did but don't remember getting the license. Went
off to college about that time and got exposed to other distractions. :-) TP

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On Feb 15, 11:21 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:17 am, wrote:



On Feb 15, 10:12 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:56 am, wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

On Feb 14, 6:42 pm, "gatt" wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enz2Y...eature=related

(Jumper joy-riding on left engine nacelle)

As soon as "Ogrish" popped up I expected to guy to tangle up in
the
empennage or something. What do you guys think of this?

-c

Intreresting but not spectacular. People been doing similar ever
since
the 20's and a lot of wing walking sans parachute. That takes
some
balls!
I've got pics of 13 jumpers crawling around outside a Twin Beech.
Was
over Perris,CA back in the 80's

Yeah with the 'old style' big suits and Strong containers stuffed
with
T-10s and PCs.

I wonder what the sink rate of the plane was.- Hide quoted text -

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If you are talking about the Twin Beech over Perris, the sink rate
was
1000fpm @ 90-kts with the left engine pulled back to near idle, about
10deg of flap for a step for the jumpers. Started out at 14.5 How do
I
know all that? Simple...I was the pilot. Two attempts were made that
day and on the first jump the lead jumper lost his grip as the 13th
was coming out the door so we did it again later that afternoon.
9-29-85

Thank you! I'd been seriously wondering about that ever since I saw
the pic. I started jumping in '84 on a paracommander and quickly
transitioned to a 9 cell after I stood up (once!) a PC (at 210#).

What was your favorite jump plane to fly?

I liked Caravans (nice big door) and Casa 212s (nice big ramp)...but
for just fun hanging upside down by your feet from the wing of a C182
or similar was always a hoot.- Hide quoted text -

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The only time I ever got hurt jumping was a PC and I broke my heel.
That was jump #130+. did a hook turn too low and BAM.
As far as a favorite jump plane to fly, hard to say. Enjoyed the Casa,
BE 18, and of course all the usual singles. I began jumping in '59 at
Elsinore and my last one was in Perris out of a ****ter back about
'85+-. My wife did a tandem from 14.5 out of a ****ter at Moss Point
Mississippi a few years ago. Jumps from helicopters were fun and I
suppose my favorite was out of a C130 at 21,000 back in 61-62 in the
USMC. Early days of the HALO development near Yuma AZ. I think I
started pulling jumpers around 1964...with C-172's out near
Barstow,CA. A variety of aircraft since then.
Cheers
Rocky

'59....back when men were men, chutes were round and reserves were
"warts".

I performed my hook turn under my 9 cell and literally bounced but
only sprained my ankle. Never had a chance to jump the 18 but we had
one around. Did a high altitude out of a twinbo (noisiest airplane
with that 'charger on it) which was fun (22'K feet and had to go off
O2 to gear up for about 5 minutes...felt really interesting to jump
semi-hypoxic. Jumped a Cub once and hung off the little step (greasy-
bad move)...but it was the little things that made it enjoyable-
watching a C-47 fire up at dusk with the blue flames popping out the
exhaust...jumping into a crystal clear spring se texas morning sky and
then looking down 45 seconds later to see nothing but ground fog from
horizon to horizon.

The most fun might be the Longranger jump and gave me a new
appreciation for the use of safety cables in movie stunts as I see no
way a man hanging on a skid could climb back into one.

A C130. Sigh. Always wanted to jump one of those....and the jet jump
at Quincy would have been fun too. Slow down to terminal velocity
would be interesting.

I jumped video from '89 til '95 and quit just shy of 1000 jumps when I
realized that my ears weren't clearing until Thursday the following
week and my neck was getting beat up from the video gear...approaching
40 at that time didn't have anything to do with it I'm sure. ;-)

Blue skies,
Richard

OK Richard, NO EXCUSE!!..... I did my pre-second jump at 41 years old and
also am approaching 1000 jumps although I slowed WAY down after my son was
born. (It HAS been a pretty good while since my last one but I still own all
my gear so I guess I'm still "current" :-))

Blue'ns, Tony P.