Airline Pilots Fly Past Airport at 20,000'

On 21 Feb, 02:39, Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?

*http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ingpilots.html
* * Airline pilots may have slept past their stop in Hawaii
* * Barbi Walker
* * The Arizona Republic
* * Feb. 20, 2008 04:59 PM

* * The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating whether two
* * airline pilots who flew past the airport in Hilo Hawaii by 15
* * miles last Wednesday were asleep.

* * Go! Airlines flight 1002 left from Honolulu and was expected to
* * land in Hilo around 10 a.m., but had to turn around after flying
* * past the airport. ...


Must have been reading your stuff.



Bertie

On 21 Feb, 09:55, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:01:49 -0500, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ingpilots.html
* *Airline pilots may have slept past their stop in Hawaii

Hell, yes.

Does that mean that their CRM procedures tolerated one pilot asleep on
the job, or did they both fall asleep simultaneously?

Go **** yourself and mind your own business, Larry.

Bertie

gatt wrote:
"Paul kgyy" wrote in message
...

If one pilot was male and the other female, there might be another
explanation.

They were getting leied.



Go to your room without supper.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Larry Dighera wrote:

A little more info:

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#197200
even stranger than usual -- it was 9 o'clock in the
morning, and the flight was a 45-minute hop from Honolulu to Hilo.
Local TV station KGMB9
(http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/4199/40/)
said it obtained a radar track of the flight, which showed it
stayed at 21,000 feet and flew past the Hilo airport about 15
miles out to sea before turning around and returning to descend.
Air traffic controllers reportedly tried to contact the pilots for
25 minutes and got no response.

On the CVR: "Hey, Bob, c'mon,stop screwing around. I distinctly remember
it was *your* turn to set the new password on the autopilot this morning."

It's just another "the sky is falling" gloom and doom post from Larry. He
must be the biggest office gossip as well.

Larry Dighera wrote in
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Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?

More likely than the theory that both pilots were simultaneously captured by
aliens and transported off the plane for 20 minutes for invasive exploration.

However, since the cockpit doors remain locked by TSA regulation, we'll never
know.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:04:22 -0800 (PST), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote in
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On 21 Feb, 09:55, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:01:49 -0500, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
:

Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ingpilots.html
* *Airline pilots may have slept past their stop in Hawaii

Hell, yes.

Does that mean that their CRM procedures tolerated one pilot asleep on
the job, or did they both fall asleep simultaneously?

Go **** yourself and mind your own business, Larry.

Bertie

From the plaintive squeal above, it would appear that my analysis
resonated with an alleged (retired?) NW airline pilot. Telling.....

If in flight snoozing is accepted among flight crew, it is apparent
from this incident, that it carries the same sort of hazard as failing
to have one pilot on O2 at altitude, a la the Payne Stewart Lear 35
mishap: http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2000/AAB0001.htm

Larry Dighera writes:

Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?

Absolutely, but it implies that either both pilots were coincidentally very
irresponsible in not getting enough sleep before flying or not keeping one
person awake at all times, or there is a problem with the airline that leaves
pilots with so little rest that they cannot resist falling asleep in flight.

The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating whether two
airline pilots who flew past the airport in Hilo Hawaii by 15
miles last Wednesday were asleep.

Go! Airlines flight 1002 left from Honolulu and was expected to
land in Hilo around 10 a.m., but had to turn around after flying
past the airport. ...

I'd check the history of the pilots in the days prior to the flight to see if
they got appropriate rest, and if they didn't, either the pilots erred in not
sleeping enough, or the airline erred in somehow preventing them from getting
enough rest.

A radar track of the flight provided by the Web site
www.flightaware.com shows the plane remained at 21,000 feet as it
flew past Hilo before returning to the airport.

Starting the descent out of cruise normally requires action by a human pilot;
otherwise the aircraft will continue to fly its route, but without descending.

The Helios Airways incident was similar: after everyone lost consciousness on
the flight, the automation flew the aircraft to its destination and executed a
missed approach and hold, but never left cruise altitude (until the engines
ran out of fuel).

Larry Dighera writes:

Does that mean that their CRM procedures tolerated one pilot asleep on
the job, or did they both fall asleep simultaneously?

One pilot asleep in cruise is normally not a hazard, although technically it
isn't allowed (for an aircraft that legally requires two pilots to fly).

Larry Dighera writes:

Perhaps, but it was 0900 local.

The world of airlines has little connection to local time. Pilots can be
tired at any time of day.

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#197200
even stranger than usual -- it was 9 o'clock in the
morning, and the flight was a 45-minute hop from Honolulu to Hilo.

They could still be too tired to stay awake, depending on what happened prior
to that flight.