LibHawk Down

Bob Noel wrote:
I hope Kerry, or anyone else, doesn't think the pilot needed their
blessing to exercise his authority as PIC.

Kerry explicitly said "...So the pilot exercised his judgment...."

I believe Kerry has a commercial certificate. Likewise instrument, glider,
and seaplane ratings. And has flown since 1966.

I'm pretty sure he understands who had PIC authority and nothing in the
story suggests otherwise.

Jim Logajan wrote:
Bob Noel wrote:
I hope Kerry, or anyone else, doesn't think the pilot needed their
blessing to exercise his authority as PIC.

Kerry explicitly said "...So the pilot exercised his judgment...."

I believe Kerry has a commercial certificate. Likewise instrument, glider,
and seaplane ratings. And has flown since 1966.

I'm pretty sure he understands who had PIC authority and nothing in the
story suggests otherwise.

Just another blowhard who couldn't resist trying to smear someone he smeared
in the past even though the smearee isn't even running for office in the
next election. Doesn't say much for the **** thrower, does it!

George Z.

In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:

Bob Noel wrote:
I hope Kerry, or anyone else, doesn't think the pilot needed their
blessing to exercise his authority as PIC.

Kerry explicitly said "...So the pilot exercised his judgment...."

I believe Kerry has a commercial certificate. Likewise instrument, glider,
and seaplane ratings. And has flown since 1966.

I'm pretty sure he understands who had PIC authority and nothing in the
story suggests otherwise.

"So the pilot exercised his judgment that we were better off putting down
there, and we all agreed."

I guess it depends on the way you parse and emphasize the words. To me
the "we all agreed" (assuming it's actually a quote) implies agreement *prior* to
landing.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Bob Noel wrote:
In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:

Bob Noel wrote:
I hope Kerry, or anyone else, doesn't think the pilot needed their
blessing to exercise his authority as PIC.

Kerry explicitly said "...So the pilot exercised his judgment...."

I believe Kerry has a commercial certificate. Likewise instrument,
glider, and seaplane ratings. And has flown since 1966.

I'm pretty sure he understands who had PIC authority and nothing in
the story suggests otherwise.

"So the pilot exercised his judgment that we were better off putting
down there, and we all agreed."

I guess it depends on the way you parse and emphasize the words. To
me the "we all agreed" (assuming it's actually a quote) implies
agreement *prior* to landing.

Not much to parse, IMVHO. The PIC appears to have asked his passengers for
their opinions, which is his perogative as PIC. If the statement had read
"So the pilot exercised his judgment that we were better off putting down
there, even though we all disagreed," it would (hopefully) have more
clearly indicated Kerry knew who was in charge of the flight.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

"The weather closed in on us," Kerry said. "It went pretty blind,
pretty fast and we were around some pretty dangerous ridges. So the
pilot exercised his judgment that we were better off putting down
there, and we all agreed."

I hope Kerry, or anyone else, doesn't think the pilot needed their
blessing to exercise his authority as PIC.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)


This was not a civilian flight. The pilot did need someone's permission...

On Feb 23, 11:24 am, "Blueskies"
wrote:


This was not a civilian flight. The pilot did need someone's permission...

Hunh? What does that mean?

On Feb 21, 10:40�pm, Bob Noel
wrote:
I hope Kerry, or anyone else, doesn't think the pilot needed their
blessing to exercise his authority as PIC.

Maybe, since two of the three were vets and all know how power works,
were on record backing up the pilot's decision in case it came up in
his next review.

In article ,
says...
"WASHINGTON (AP) - A helicopter carrying three senior U.S. senators has
made an emergency landing in Afghanistan.
Sens. John Kerry, Joseph Biden and Chuck Hagel were aboard the aircraft.,
according to Jon Summers, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
The lawmakers are on a trip this week that includes stops in India, Turkey
and Pakistan.

Kerry and Biden are Democrats from Massachusetts and Delaware, respectively,
and the Republican Hagel is from Nebraska. "

WTF?! Is this something that needs to be reported before they're secured
and recovered?

No....

;')

In article 6e4b68fc-efe7-4ac7-bd16-
, says...
On Feb 21, 3:39*pm, "gatt" wrote:
*"WASHINGTON (AP) - A helicopter carrying three senior U.S. senators has
made an emergency landing in Afghanistan.
Sens. John Kerry, Joseph Biden and Chuck Hagel were aboard the aircraft..,
according to Jon Summers, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
The lawmakers are on a trip this week that includes stops in India, Turkey
and Pakistan.

Kerry and Biden are Democrats from Massachusetts and Delaware, respectively,
and the Republican Hagel is from Nebraska. "

WTF?! *Is this something that needs to be reported before they're secured
and recovered?

I dunno, but I bet Kerry puts in for a medal over it.

ouch....

In article 23457206-711b-420c-b44d-7d7122c75f08
@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com, says...
On Feb 21, 1:39*pm, "gatt" wrote:
*"WASHINGTON (AP) - A helicopter carrying three senior U.S. senators has
made an emergency landing in Afghanistan.
Sens. John Kerry, Joseph Biden and Chuck Hagel were aboard the aircraft..,
according to Jon Summers, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
The lawmakers are on a trip this week that includes stops in India, Turkey
and Pakistan.

Kerry and Biden are Democrats from Massachusetts and Delaware, respectively,
and the Republican Hagel is from Nebraska. "

WTF?! *Is this something that needs to be reported before they're secured
and recovered?

-c

The "emergency" landing was probably at an alternate airport/base.

You can bet those three tit-suckers wouldn't be anywhere near any
actual danger.


Report I saw said they returned to Kabul by ground convoy.