Engrish Proficiency ;)

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:22:02 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote in
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On Feb 26, 5:19*am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

All you have to do is listen to this exchange with JFK ground to understand
why the FAA is "moving fast" on English proficiency:

http://tinyurl.com/3dprjg

I may not be seeing the big picture but my understanding is that the
FAA is only requiring the English Proficiency to be on U.S. pilots. I
didn't see anything about a chance to foreign licenses (and certainly
not to foreign flag common carriers).

-Robert

Right. It's ICAO that is making the requirement, not FAA. FAA is
moving fast to provide US airmen with ICAO compliant certificates. Or
maybe I'm seeing the big picture either.

On Feb 26, 10:03*am, Larry Dighera wrote:
. *It's ICAO that is making the requirement, not FAA. *FAA is
moving fast to provide US airmen with ICAO compliant certificates. *Or
maybe I'm seeing the big picture either.

And how does putting "English Proficient" on the certificate of Air
China pilots change anything when they are already required to meet
that requirement.

-Robert

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:07:41 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote in
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On Feb 26, 10:03*am, Larry Dighera wrote:
. *It's ICAO that is making the requirement, not FAA. *FAA is
moving fast to provide US airmen with ICAO compliant certificates. *Or
maybe I'm seeing the big picture either.

And how does putting "English Proficient" on the certificate of Air
China pilots change anything when they are already required to meet
that requirement.

-Robert

Check the ICAO web site, but I believe the required proficiency level
has been redefined. There are several levels, IIRC.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:FlUwj.50499$9j6.29639@attbi_s22:

It's irritating that this is happening so fast. We just found out
about it, it goes into affect in a week and it takes 2 weeks to get a
new certificate (at best). The FAA at its finest?

All you have to do is listen to this exchange with JFK ground to
understand why the FAA is "moving fast" on English proficiency:

It's because it's been nmadated by ICAO you xenophobic fjukktard.


Bertie

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
:

On Feb 26, 5:19*am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

All you have to do is listen to this exchange with JFK ground to
understan
d
why the FAA is "moving fast" on English proficiency:

http://tinyurl.com/3dprjg

I may not be seeing the big picture but my understanding is that the
FAA is only requiring the English Proficiency to be on U.S. pilots. I
didn't see anything about a chance to foreign licenses (and certainly
not to foreign flag common carriers).


That;'s because it has **** all to do with the FAA. The FAA has been tasked
with impimentation, but this is a worldwide effort.


bertie

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in news:6307c716-4cc2-423c-ac9f-
:

On Feb 26, 10:03*am, Larry Dighera wrote:
. *It's ICAO that is making the requirement, not FAA. *FAA is
moving fast to provide US airmen with ICAO compliant certificates. *Or
maybe I'm seeing the big picture either.

And how does putting "English Proficient" on the certificate of Air
China pilots change anything when they are already required to meet
that requirement.



They aren;t. They will be. English is not the only aviation language!




bertie

Larry Dighera wrote in
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On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:07:41 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote in
:

On Feb 26, 10:03*am, Larry Dighera wrote:
. *It's ICAO that is making the requirement, not FAA. *FAA is
moving fast to provide US airmen with ICAO compliant certificates. *Or
maybe I'm seeing the big picture either.

And how does putting "English Proficient" on the certificate of Air
China pilots change anything when they are already required to meet
that requirement.

-Robert

Check the ICAO web site, but I believe the required proficiency level
has been redefined. There are several levels, IIRC.

Hey Larry. go **** up a rope ( didn't want you to think I was ignoring you)


Bertie

On Feb 26, 12:41*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in news:6307c716-4cc2-423c-ac9f-
:

On Feb 26, 10:03*am, Larry Dighera wrote:
. *It's ICAO that is making the requirement, not FAA. *FAA is
moving fast to provide US airmen with ICAO compliant certificates. *Or
maybe I'm seeing the big picture either.

And how does putting "English Proficient" on the certificate of Air
China pilots change anything when they are already required to meet
that requirement.

They aren;t. They will be. English is not the only aviation language!

In the US it is and the Dateline news story is about the China Air
pilot who got confused at JFK (hense my reference to China Air).

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
:

On Feb 26, 12:41*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
news:6307c716-4cc2-423c-ac9f-

:

On Feb 26, 10:03*am, Larry Dighera wrote:
. *It's ICAO that is making the requirement, not FAA. *FAA is
moving fast to provide US airmen with ICAO compliant certificates.
*O
r
maybe I'm seeing the big picture either.

And how does putting "English Proficient" on the certificate of Air
China pilots change anything when they are already required to meet
that requirement.

They aren;t. They will be. English is not the only aviation language!

In the US it is and the Dateline news story is about the China Air
pilot who got confused at JFK (hense my reference to China Air).


I know that, but the point is they didn;t have to learn English to fly.
Its a sort of add -on. Added o whih, the US is the odd one out with ATC
as far as systems, procedures and ATC chatter is concerned, so it's a
little difficult for even a native english speaker from abroad, never
mind one can barely speak it. I'm not saying that things don't need to
be tidied up. They do. I'm just saying.

You should hear some US pilots abroad!

THere's a story about a crew going into LHR, probably tired, and they
were cleared to 4,000', QNH 1027. One of the crew came back to the
controller with the request "can we have that in inches please?" to
which came the reply "roger, cleared to 48,000 inches, QNH 1027"

Listening to a US crew coming into somewhere like Rome, when the crew
doesn't come in there often is only hilarious.



Bertie