CFI pay, FYI

I just scoped out a local FBO hiring CFIs (they went from a minimum of
100 hrs experience and CFII last September to hiring brand-new CFIs in
January.)

They charge $44/hr for ground or air instruction and the instructor base
pay is $16 per billed hour.

Free unlimited simulator time, free CFII ground and sim training, and
after four months instructors get a "very low rate" on helicopter training.

Doesn't mention health insurance. After teaching 250 hours,
instructors get $17/hr. with a $3/hr bonus for "advanced instruction."

Meanwhile they can't keep experienced instructors in the shop. Gee, I
wonder why. The only problem is, to teach at the local community
colleges, you have to be an employee of the FBO.

-c

On May 9, 2:36*pm, gatt wrote:
I just scoped out a local FBO hiring CFIs (they went from a minimum of
100 hrs experience and CFII last September to hiring brand-new CFIs in
January.)

They charge $44/hr for ground or air instruction and the instructor base
pay is $16 per billed hour.

Free unlimited simulator time, free CFII ground and sim training, and
after four months instructors get a "very low rate" on helicopter training..

Doesn't mention health insurance. * After teaching 250 hours,
instructors get $17/hr. with a $3/hr bonus for "advanced instruction."

Meanwhile they can't keep experienced instructors in the shop. *Gee, I
wonder why. *The only problem is, to teach at the local community
colleges, you have to be an employee of the FBO.

-c

Sounds about right. I assume you also have to provide your own
liability insurance, right? The fact is that CFIs are willing to work
for that or they wouldn't bother hiring.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Sounds about right. I assume you also have to provide your own
liability insurance, right? The fact is that CFIs are willing to work
for that or they wouldn't bother hiring.

I scoped the place out when I turned in my AGI paperwork at the FSDO
office yesterday. The "pilot lounge" was filled with idle
twenty-something CFIs...you can tell the CFIs by the white shirts and
epaulets and/or khaki jump suits. Looks cool, and very professional,
but none of 'em were making money at the time.

The FBO I fly out of is all independent contractors and two or three
Gold Seal regulars. The only real problem is that there's only one 152,
three 172s, an Arrow and a twin. Great little operation but you have to
hustle up your own business. I don't know how much of the $40/hr the
instructors keep, but, knowing the owner I suspect it's probably at
least $30.

My problem is total distrust of large companies. In fact, I don't like
working for other people period. Maybe I should buy my own trainer. :

-c

On 2008-05-09 16:17:05 -0700, gatt said:

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Sounds about right. I assume you also have to provide your own
liability insurance, right? The fact is that CFIs are willing to work
for that or they wouldn't bother hiring.

I scoped the place out when I turned in my AGI paperwork at the FSDO
office yesterday. The "pilot lounge" was filled with idle
twenty-something CFIs...you can tell the CFIs by the white shirts and
epaulets and/or khaki jump suits. Looks cool, and very professional,
but none of 'em were making money at the time.

The FBO I fly out of is all independent contractors and two or three
Gold Seal regulars. The only real problem is that there's only one
152, three 172s, an Arrow and a twin. Great little operation but you
have to hustle up your own business. I don't know how much of the
$40/hr the instructors keep, but, knowing the owner I suspect it's
probably at least $30.

My problem is total distrust of large companies. In fact, I don't like
working for other people period. Maybe I should buy my own trainer. :

-c

Good luck with getting insurance on that.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

"gatt" wrote in message
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Robert M. Gary wrote:

Sounds about right. I assume you also have to provide your own
liability insurance, right? The fact is that CFIs are willing to work
for that or they wouldn't bother hiring.

I scoped the place out when I turned in my AGI paperwork at the FSDO
office yesterday. The "pilot lounge" was filled with idle
twenty-something CFIs...you can tell the CFIs by the white shirts and
epaulets and/or khaki jump suits. Looks cool, and very professional, but
none of 'em were making money at the time.

The FBO I fly out of is all independent contractors and two or three Gold
Seal regulars. The only real problem is that there's only one 152, three
172s, an Arrow and a twin. Great little operation but you have to hustle
up your own business. I don't know how much of the $40/hr the instructors
keep, but, knowing the owner I suspect it's probably at least $30.

My problem is total distrust of large companies. In fact, I don't like
working for other people period. Maybe I should buy my own trainer. :

-c

If you are serious, be sure to check you local airport policies first.

Many airports no longer allow free lance instruction.

On May 10, 9:54 am, "Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:
"gatt" wrote in message



If you are serious, be sure to check you local airport policies first.

Many airports no longer allow free lance instruction.

How is that possible? If I am using my own home office to meet and
greet the student, and then drive to the airport and go flying, what
rules would that violate?

I can see a point if you are using the FBO lounge for flight
instruction.

On May 9, 4:17 pm, gatt wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
Sounds about right. I assume you also have to provide your own
liability insurance, right? The fact is that CFIs are willing to work
for that or they wouldn't bother hiring.

I scoped the place out when I turned in my AGI paperwork at the FSDO
office yesterday. The "pilot lounge" was filled with idle
twenty-something CFIs...you can tell the CFIs by the white shirts and
epaulets and/or khaki jump suits. Looks cool, and very professional,
but none of 'em were making money at the time.


I'm neither a 20-something nor a CFI, but if they're getting some
flight time, they may not care how low the pay is. Are they just
idling their days away with dwindling bank accounts or are they
actually getting the hours needed for that first right seat in a
commuter job? What other choice to they have, anyhow? It doesn't seem
that there is a huge number of jobs for 300 hour pilots.

"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"gatt" wrote in message
. ..
Robert M. Gary wrote:

Sounds about right. I assume you also have to provide your own
liability insurance, right? The fact is that CFIs are willing to
work for that or they wouldn't bother hiring.

I scoped the place out when I turned in my AGI paperwork at the FSDO
office yesterday. The "pilot lounge" was filled with idle
twenty-something CFIs...you can tell the CFIs by the white shirts and
epaulets and/or khaki jump suits. Looks cool, and very
professional, but none of 'em were making money at the time.

The FBO I fly out of is all independent contractors and two or three
Gold Seal regulars. The only real problem is that there's only one
152, three 172s, an Arrow and a twin. Great little operation but you
have to hustle up your own business. I don't know how much of the
$40/hr the instructors keep, but, knowing the owner I suspect it's
probably at least $30.

My problem is total distrust of large companies. In fact, I don't
like working for other people period. Maybe I should buy my own
trainer. :

-c

If you are serious, be sure to check you local airport policies first.

Many airports no longer allow free lance instruction.


That's just what they told you.


Bertie

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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On May 10, 9:54 am, "Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:
"gatt" wrote in message



If you are serious, be sure to check you local airport policies first.

Many airports no longer allow free lance instruction.

How is that possible? If I am using my own home office to meet and
greet the student, and then drive to the airport and go flying, what
rules would that violate?

I can see a point if you are using the FBO lounge for flight
instruction.


Probably none, but it is possible. I would like to hope most airports would
welcome any type of legitimate aviation activity, but not all do.

We have at least one local airport that has established extreme requirements
anyone doing business on their property. If you wish to give instruction you
have to maintain a certain amount of floor space, parking space, restrooms,
etc. It effectively excludes anyone but the present FBO from giving flight
instruction.

"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
news:68c78dc6-6234-4d9b-9a64-0af4f2aae920
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On May 10, 9:54 am, "Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:
"gatt" wrote in message



If you are serious, be sure to check you local airport policies
first.

Many airports no longer allow free lance instruction.

How is that possible? If I am using my own home office to meet and
greet the student, and then drive to the airport and go flying, what
rules would that violate?

I can see a point if you are using the FBO lounge for flight
instruction.


Probably none, but it is possible. I would like to hope most airports
would welcome any type of legitimate aviation activity, but not all
do.

We have at least one local airport that has established extreme
requirements anyone doing business on their property. If you wish to
give instruction you have to maintain a certain amount of floor space,
parking space, restrooms, etc. It effectively excludes anyone but the
present FBO from giving flight instruction.




That's just what they told you to get rid of you luser boi.


Bertie