I give up, after many, many years!

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:qK6Yj.115998$TT4.10739@attbi_s22:

I may need that lottery ticket, not for surviving the problem, but the
cost of a new regulator! Pump is fine, but the regulator does not
appear to be regulating! 1.2 AMU is a preliminary estimate.

$1200 for the *regulator*? Damn...that sucks.

Almost as bad as my stupid Piper stall indicator switch -- $1300 back
in 1999 money! What a rip... (Luckily I found a "serviceable" used
unit for "only" $450...)

Guess your mexican slaves didn't get a bonus that month, eh?

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Steve Foley writes:

That's a hell of a statement.

Safety first.

I was really referring the fact that an absolute statement was made without
any qualifiers that may have made it correct.

Le Chaud Lapin wrote:

Hmm...someone should write an email to FAA warning them that they
should warn readers that the HoAK should not be read by any aspiring
pilot who has not yet been properly instructed of its contents by
human.

But then, if the instructor is to tell all to the student that is in
the book, then there is no point in writing the book.

Maybe it should be retitled...

"Refresher Handbook For Pilot's Who Already Learned This Stuff From A
Person. But Not Anyone Else.."

-Le Chaud Lapin-

That's not what I said at all. But should you ever start learning to fly
I think you will find that you will go back and reread it with a whole
new understanding of what you are reading.

Gig 601Xl Builder wrote in
m:

Le Chaud Lapin wrote:

Hmm...someone should write an email to FAA warning them that they
should warn readers that the HoAK should not be read by any aspiring
pilot who has not yet been properly instructed of its contents by
human.

But then, if the instructor is to tell all to the student that is in
the book, then there is no point in writing the book.

Maybe it should be retitled...

"Refresher Handbook For Pilot's Who Already Learned This Stuff From A
Person. But Not Anyone Else.."

-Le Chaud Lapin-

That's not what I said at all. But should you ever start learning to
fly
I think you will find that you will go back and reread it with a
whole
new understanding of what you are reading.

Ya gotta love an optimist.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
gatt writes:

The ones that are ignored are different sensations and typically have to
do with equilibrium and the inner ear. Examples are somatogravic and
coriolis and inversion illusions. If your ass leaves the seat or
compresses into it, however, it's not something you ignore.

Yes, it is, because it is no more reliable than any other sensation.


DON'T CONTRADICT ME. I FLY PLANES AND YOU PLAY VIDEO GAMES. IF YOU
DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "GRAVITY" AND A "SENSATION", THEN GO
JUMP OFF A BRIDGE.


But they may not be what you think they are, either.

What people are asserting here is 180 degrees different from what I read in
all the literature.

I QUOTED YOU THE LITERATURE. SPECIFICALLY, FAA-H-8083-3A: IE, The
Federal Aviation Administration Airplane Flying Handbook, chapter 3, page 2.

The FAA knows a whole hell of a lot more about flying than you,
regardless of what you claim you've read.

-C
Commercial Pilot, Instrument, ASEL
Advanced Ground Instructor

Jay Honeck wrote:
What people are asserting here is 180 degrees different from what I
read in all the literature. You cannot fly by the seat of your pants.
You can't fly based on sensations. They are too unreliable.
Conversely, you can fly without sensations, as long as you have visual
and/or instrument information.


You're a moron. You're not competent to read with comprehension.
Anthony, you don't know **** from shinola.

Presuming we're talking about IFR flight, what, precisely, do you find
incorrect in MX's paragraph, above?

Well, for starters, you cannot fly without sensations unless you're
defying gravity and centrifugal/centripetal force. Fighter pilots
would probably think it very cool if they could ignore stuff like tunnel
vision and brownout.

Jay, I mentioned this to him earlier and he ignored it.

There's a difference between gravitational forces acting on a body and
inner-ear and other physiological effects such as somatogravic illusion.

The pilot feels the same forces acting on an airplane, so if you feel
G-forces and you are compressed into your seat, you know you're pulling
G's.

If your chart suddenly flies off the dashpanel and your luggage starts
floating around behind the rear seats, are these items experiencing
sensations, or physics?

As I told him, if you jump off of a building you will quickly learn the
difference between physiological illusion and physical sensation. It is
the latter that cannot be denied.


-c

Mxsmanic wrote:
A Lieberman writes:

Flying by sensation Jay. To make a blank statement you cannot fly in
IMC by sensations is flat out wrong.

It's entirely right. You cannot trust sensations in IMC. You must trust your
instruments.

GRAVITY IS NOT A SENSATION.

While you have to ignore SOME sensations while flying inside a cloud,
some sensations give you warning of impending danger.

The instruments do a better job of that, and they are consistent and reliable.


That's right. Instruments never fail, and gravity is prone to error.

Ken S. Tucker wrote:

I pretty much agree with MX, the human inertial nav
is clumsy, we didn't have the evolution of birds.
An example is a "spiral dive", it's actually quite benign
from the standpoint of inertial inputs, it's better to use
instruments.


And if you auger into granite at 200 knots, just ignore the "sensation"
and you'll be fine.

-c

Mxsmanic wrote:

When you catch an updraft coming over a ridge, do you wait for the altimeter
to tell you you're climbing? Or do you slightly lower the nose based on
FEELING the additional lift?

I look out the window and/or check the instruments to see what has changed.


No you don't. You don't fly. You have no windows to look out of.

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

That sensation tells you that you are coordinated, which is the point.

No, it does not. Other things can produce the same sensation.


Like what. What other things?


-c
Commercial Pilot, Instrument, ASEL
Advanced Ground Instructor