Mxsmanic , IFR sensations, and some other stuff

On May 21, 9:59*pm, Stealth Pilot
wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2008 19:00:25 -0700 (PDT), More_Flaps

wrote:
On May 21, 12:56*am, Stealth Pilot
wrote:

you need to learn about somatogravic thresholds, the effect of alcohol
on the viscosity of the fluids of the inner ear

How much alcohol are we talking about here? Dies the viscosity of the
endolymph actually change?

Cheers

yes. you can be quite sober and still have the viscosity reduction
active in your ears some 48 hours or more later.
never, never, never drink alcohol in the week before flying IFR.

do some serious human factors reading. the subject is fascinating.
our human sensations have some amazing limitations.

if you need a good introductory text on human physiology to get some
underlying understanding I can recommend 'Human Anatomy and
Physiology' by Elaine N Marieb. It is published by Pearson Benjamin
Cummings in san francisco. excellent!


I've got several physiology/toxicology text books but I can't see a
reference to _viscosity_ changes in endolymph with alcohol. Are you
sure you mean viscosity and not density?


Cheers

On May 21, 4:22 am, Stealth Pilot
wrote:

Difference is, he doesn;t arrive at the answer, he starts there. Then he
works his way back the Anthony land until he begins with a premise that
is straight out of alice in wonderland.

Bertie

absolutely true bertie.
so you, I and others like us take on the duty of correcting his posts,
not ever in the hope of educating him but to warn others learning into
aviation that he is wrong.
personally I think we'd all be better off if we flew to paris and shot
the *******.
Stealth Pilot

So you mean it doesn't work because the lift fairies flap their wings
and push up on the underside of the aircraft?

Are you telling me the sky sucks????

I feel so cheap and used.

On May 19, 12:48 am, Gezellig wrote:
Mike Isaksen has brought this to us :

"Gezellig" wrote ...
Why do I feel like singing out loud with Barbra Streisand?

That could be considered Medically disqualifying !!!
;-)

I recant to David Bowie. Which may continue my disqualification. :'(

Turn and face the strange.

"Tina" wrote in message
...
With respect to Anthony, one can conclude he enjoys any attention,

I agree with that statement 100%


If he 'presents' (that word is being used in the sense mental health
professionals us it) in real life the way he does here he can probably
count all of his friends on the fingers of one foot.

That would certainly explain why he is alone and unemployed. If you want
further insite into his personality, check the blog he claims to have never
written.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://...a.blogspot.com

and his entry for wikipedia is pretty good too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Agateller

He really is one sick puppy.

On Wed, 21 May 2008 04:52:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 21, 4:22 am, Stealth Pilot
wrote:

Difference is, he doesn;t arrive at the answer, he starts there. Then he
works his way back the Anthony land until he begins with a premise that
is straight out of alice in wonderland.

Bertie

absolutely true bertie.
so you, I and others like us take on the duty of correcting his posts,
not ever in the hope of educating him but to warn others learning into
aviation that he is wrong.
personally I think we'd all be better off if we flew to paris and shot
the *******.
Stealth Pilot

So you mean it doesn't work because the lift fairies flap their wings
and push up on the underside of the aircraft?

Are you telling me the sky sucks????

I feel so cheap and used.

look you walked in late to your class and missed the introduction.
stop bothering the aeroplane people and get back into the helicopter
classes. :-)

aeroplanes fly because of lift generated by pressure differences on
the wing surfaces. these pressure differences are caused by the shape
of the aerofoil of the wing and its relative speed with the
surrounding air. bernouli's theorem, newtonian mechanics etc are
theroretical models which can be used to calculate the effects of
varying various components at play in causing the pressure
differences.

simple enough.

Stealth Pilot

On Wed, 21 May 2008 03:33:18 -0700 (PDT), More_Flaps
wrote:

On May 21, 9:59*pm, Stealth Pilot
wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2008 19:00:25 -0700 (PDT), More_Flaps

wrote:
On May 21, 12:56*am, Stealth Pilot
wrote:

you need to learn about somatogravic thresholds, the effect of alcohol
on the viscosity of the fluids of the inner ear

How much alcohol are we talking about here? Dies the viscosity of the
endolymph actually change?

Cheers

yes. you can be quite sober and still have the viscosity reduction
active in your ears some 48 hours or more later.
never, never, never drink alcohol in the week before flying IFR.

do some serious human factors reading. the subject is fascinating.
our human sensations have some amazing limitations.

if you need a good introductory text on human physiology to get some
underlying understanding I can recommend 'Human Anatomy and
Physiology' by Elaine N Marieb. It is published by Pearson Benjamin
Cummings in san francisco. excellent!


I've got several physiology/toxicology text books but I can't see a
reference to _viscosity_ changes in endolymph with alcohol. Are you
sure you mean viscosity and not density?


Cheers

I mean exactly what I wrote.

human factors stuff is reasonably new. it is probable that the
research in the human factors work doesnt make it into the other text
books because it is fairly specialised.
btw I dont quote human factors books because I was taught this stuff
in my commercial pilot studies. it is standard modern australian
commercial level aviation knowledge.

Stealth Pilot

God.I hope this clears this up!

It won't -- but thanks for trying.

For reasons known only to them, some posters here are going to extraordinary
lengths to prove that "seat of the pants" sensations are a part of IFR
flight -- even though every published source (and every expert here) has
agreed with MX's statements to the contrary.

It's like they are willing to go to ANY length to try to prove the statement
wrong simply because the source (in this case) was a non-pilot. I don't
know what mysterious power MX has over some participants in this group, but
it's downright creepy.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Stealth Pilot writes:

aeroplanes fly because of lift generated by pressure differences on
the wing surfaces.

Airplanes fly because the wings divert the air through which they pass
downwards, creating a downwash and exerting a force in doing so that engenders
an opposite force that is lift.

... these pressure differences are caused by the shape
of the aerofoil of the wing ...

The air is diverted because the wing has a positve angle of attack. It can be
perfectly flat and it will still generate lift.

A Lieberman writes:

Show me where I say I rely on sensations AND NOT INSTRUMENTS.

You've said multiple times that sensations tell you when something is
happening, and that you look at instruments when you feel sensations. You are
relying on sensations.

Jay Honeck writes:

For reasons known only to them, some posters here are going to extraordinary
lengths to prove that "seat of the pants" sensations are a part of IFR
flight -- even though every published source (and every expert here) has
agreed with MX's statements to the contrary.

It's like they are willing to go to ANY length to try to prove the statement
wrong simply because the source (in this case) was a non-pilot. I don't
know what mysterious power MX has over some participants in this group, but
it's downright creepy.

I hope that this compulsion on their part does not extend beyond this
newsgroup, because if they exhibit the same obstinacy while flying ...