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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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On Nov 17, 11:53 am, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message

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Major blather snipped before being read -

No, when you abuse people you do not know, YOU create your own destiny.
Enjoy it, your own behavior has earned it.

Until you, and your ilk, learn to make room for everyone's opinion, you
will
be the breeder of trolls.

So tell us Maxie, and I mean in some aviation sense that is, what IS
your opinion on something related to
flying.........anything??????????? I can't recall you ever posting
anything as an aviation opinion that would spark genuine on topic and
respectful response. Please feel free to correct this if I'm mistaken
and post an example that
explains your premise so people can see how your aviation opinions
have been disrespected? SURELY you have an example of this unfortunate
behavior?????
Waiting.
DH

Maxie has never been anything other than a wannabe. He may have tried to
post on topic at one time, but it was quickly revealed that he didn't know a
dog turd from beans about avaition. He's been nothing more than a pot
stirrer ever since, and not really even a good one at that.

On 11/17/2008 10:11 AM Mxsmanic ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:

It happens to me regularly.

Really! You don't say! How 'bout that!

People assume that if you don't answer, you don't
have the answer.

Yes, you regularly assume that about others. You want examples?

Keep that in mind the next time someone asks me a question.

No.

On Nov 18, 7:14*am, Franklin see_REPLY-TO_header wrote:
On Mon 17 Nov08 23:30, Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

On Nov 17, 10:23*am, Payton Byrd
wrote:
[...]

You missed the term "increasing" I'm afraid. 5.5 squared is 30.5,
which is fine for pure math, but not fine for a turning F14 with a
linear expanding g profile.
The 25 figure as stated in the assumption is correct within the
problem.

Fun isn't it?

Sir, please sir. The Ps value is far too low.

Good try but no cigar I'm afraid. No Ps value is possible for ANY
aircraft without the inclusion of altitude in the equation.
Ps can be positive or negative anywhere in the envelope not on the Ps=
0 line for the aircraft, BUT establishing that Ps value in any turn is
directly related to the altitude where the turn parameters are in
play.

I have no idea who you're trying to impress here, but you
unfortunately picked the wrong guy :-) The purpose of my work with the
Turkey was related to EM :-))
If you want to talk energy maneuverability be my guest.
Dudley Henriques

On Nov 18, 7:14*am, Franklin see_REPLY-TO_header wrote:
On Mon 17 Nov08 23:30, Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

On Nov 17, 10:23*am, Payton Byrd
wrote:
[...]

You missed the term "increasing" I'm afraid. 5.5 squared is 30.5,
which is fine for pure math, but not fine for a turning F14 with a
linear expanding g profile.
The 25 figure as stated in the assumption is correct within the
problem.

Fun isn't it?

Sir, please sir. The Ps value is far too low.

No Ps value for a turning aircraft is possible without an altitude
inclusion since the same g and a specific airspeed will produce a
different Ps at different altitudes for any turning aircraft.
Therefore a specific Ps value either positive, negative, or on the
Ps=0 line can't be assumed in the question since altitude was NOT
given.
Sorry, don't know why you are making such assumptions other than
trolling but....NO CIGAR!! :-)))

Dudley Henriques

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:04:27 -0800 (PST), Dudley Henriques wrote:

On Nov 17, 10:19*am, Little Luke
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:38:35 -0800 (PST), Dudley Henriques wrote:
Ps=0.

Nope. Sorry, this value doesn't change. Next time, don't be disingenous,
you supplied, oh, half opf the necessary variables to even form a decent
question.

See, I flew them, you didn't.

Luv,

LL
--http://preview.tinyurl.com/6glxm9

Actually as it happens I did have a few hours in the Turkey. Strike
Aircraft Test Directorate at Pax River. Wanna compare photographs and
documentation perhaps? I'm always glad to meet someone from the
community.
Dudley Henriques

Can't see my sig?
--
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6glxm9

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:15:35 -0500, Little Luke wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:04:27 -0800 (PST), Dudley Henriques wrote:

On Nov 17, 10:19*am, Little Luke
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:38:35 -0800 (PST), Dudley Henriques wrote:
Ps=0.

Nope. Sorry, this value doesn't change. Next time, don't be disingenous,
you supplied, oh, half opf the necessary variables to even form a decent
question.

See, I flew them, you didn't.

Luv,

LL
--http://preview.tinyurl.com/6glxm9

Actually as it happens I did have a few hours in the Turkey. Strike
Aircraft Test Directorate at Pax River. Wanna compare photographs and
documentation perhaps? I'm always glad to meet someone from the
community.
Dudley Henriques

Can't see my sig?

Duds, here are two free newsreaders.

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Here are two free Usenet providers.

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ITM, for God's sake, get into the modern world.
--
They say your heroes reflect the quantity and fullness of your life. I
have three, hummingbird, Bear Botttoms
and Me.Here, the Triumvirate. Alas, now measured by said axiom, I
have no life sigh

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:21:35 -0500, Payton Byrd wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:15:35 -0500, Little Luke wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:04:27 -0800 (PST), Dudley Henriques wrote:

On Nov 17, 10:19*am, Little Luke
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:38:35 -0800 (PST), Dudley Henriques wrote:
Ps=0.

Nope. Sorry, this value doesn't change. Next time, don't be disingenous,
you supplied, oh, half opf the necessary variables to even form a decent
question.

See, I flew them, you didn't.

Luv,

LL
--http://preview.tinyurl.com/6glxm9

Actually as it happens I did have a few hours in the Turkey. Strike
Aircraft Test Directorate at Pax River. Wanna compare photographs and
documentation perhaps? I'm always glad to meet someone from the
community.
Dudley Henriques

Can't see my sig?

Duds, here are two free newsreaders.

www.40tude.com
http://www.aplusfreeware.com/categor...wsreaders.html

Here are two free Usenet providers.

www.motzarella.org
www.aioe.org

If you need help in configuring them ask. Takes five minutes tops

ITM, for God's sake, get into the modern world.

Showing our luv............
--
Meet Ari!
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh

On Nov 18, 12:51*pm, Franklin see_REPLY-TO_header wrote:
On Tue 18 Nov08 06:59, Dudley Henriques wrote:





On Nov 18, 7:14*am, Franklin see_REPLY-TO_header wrote:
On Mon 17 Nov08 23:30, Dudley Henriques wrote
in news:60ccd111-02f8-4eae-bb7a-582816c86b45
@v22g2000pro.googlegroups.com:

On Nov 17, 10:23*am, Payton Byrd
wrote:
[...]

You missed the term "increasing" I'm afraid. 5.5 squared is 30.5,
which is fine for pure math, but not fine for a turning F14 with
a linear expanding g profile.
The 25 figure as stated in the assumption is correct within the
problem.

Fun isn't it?

Sir, please sir. The Ps value is far too low.

Good try but no cigar I'm afraid. No Ps value is possible for ANY
aircraft without the inclusion of altitude in the equation.
Ps can be positive or negative anywhere in the envelope not on the
Ps0 line for the aircraft, BUT establishing that Ps value in any
turn is directly related to the altitude where the turn parameters
are in play.

I see that now. Ok. My mistake.

I have no idea who you're trying to impress here, but you
unfortunately picked the wrong guy :-) The purpose of my work with
the Turkey was related to EM :-))

You asked a question. I thought I could answer it. I got it wrong but I'd
like another go!

You don't give altitude so I will assume it. *You made me re-examine
where I went wrong with Ps. And look up some F-14 specs. Specific excess
power Ps is delta energy with delta time. Accounting for induced drag
which the question focuses on then (assumming weight is approx 55 klbs)
at that state I say you would get acceleration.

Going over the various possibilities it seemed (not entirely sure) that
greater thrust should encounter even greater drag and so airspeed could
fall. *Am I getting closer?

If you want to talk energy maneuverability be my guest.
Dudley Henriques

That's for a John Boyd! What a maverick. I couldn't hope to match his
stunts to highlight E-M.

Sorry for my offensive post. Things have been nuts around here lately
with all these characters and I thought you might be another one :-)

Yes, your second try is exactly right. In the example given, if the g
is decreased the Turkey will accelerate which is the answer to the
first question, and if the g is increased, airspeed will fall victim
to drag.

Another way to present the "problem" would be as follows, only this
time including the altitude which as you have correctly surmised,
gives us a Ps figure for the F14. In our example, the Turkey is at T-
D=0 which = Ps=0 or on the Ps equals zero line for the F14.

An F14 at 420 KCAS, 15K, in a level turn at military. As the g is
increased, drag increases as it's square. At about 5.5g, induced drag
has increased by a factor of 25. At this point, T-D=0 and Ps=0. If g
is decreased the F14 will accelerate. If we pull harder, airspeed will
drop off.

Thank you for explaining your post instead of reacting to my over
aggressive response to you.
Dudley Henriques

On Nov 18, 12:51*pm, Franklin see_REPLY-TO_header wrote:
On Tue 18 Nov08 06:59, Dudley Henriques wrote:

That's for a John Boyd! What a maverick. I couldn't hope to match his
stunts to highlight E-M.

I met John and knew him for a short time before he died. He was indeed
a no nonsense guy and probably one of the finest pure sticks I've
ever known if not THE best. His coffers were filled with the names of
the best fighter pilots in the world who he converted on from allowing
them a starting position at his six while flying the Hun. His on going
bet was 40 seconds, and to my knowledge he was never beaten nor has
his record ever been topped for conversion air to air 1V1.
I did a bit of research flying as a civilian in T38's that involved EM
while working on inertial coupling departure and John gave us a
beautiful photograph of my airplane in flight signed by him.
It hangs on our den wall.
Great guy, and along with E.T. Christie and Rutowski from Douglas,
probably some of the finest aviation minds of our time.

Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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On Nov 18, 12:51 pm, Franklin see_REPLY-TO_header wrote:
On Tue 18 Nov08 06:59, Dudley Henriques wrote:

That's for a John Boyd! What a maverick. I couldn't hope to match his
stunts to highlight E-M.

I met John and knew him for a short time before he died. He was indeed
a no nonsense guy and probably one of the finest pure sticks I've
ever known if not THE best. His coffers were filled with the names of
the best fighter pilots in the world who he converted on from allowing
them a starting position at his six while flying the Hun. His on going
bet was 40 seconds, and to my knowledge he was never beaten nor has
his record ever been topped for conversion air to air 1V1.
I did a bit of research flying as a civilian in T38's that involved EM
while working on inertial coupling departure and John gave us a
beautiful photograph of my airplane in flight signed by him.
It hangs on our den wall.
Great guy, and along with E.T. Christie and Rutowski from Douglas,
probably some of the finest aviation minds of our time.

Dudley Henriques

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What a dick head.