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His original statement was there are only a dozen or so switches and
buttons.

No, I believe his original statement related to those buttons which
are required for the pilot to manually control the aircraft and over
ride the active route in the Flight Management Computer and those
buttons are on the Mode Control Panel which is a portion of the panel
above the 'glass cockpit' and below the window. The overhead panel
and many other panels are NOT required during the majority of flight,
they are for pre-flight and engine starts. The majority of the
console between the pilot and his first officer are for radio,
navigation radios, TCAS, transponders, weather tracking controls,
autobrakes, passenger signs etc.

I keep posting this typical approach and landing of a real 747-400.
Whilst the FMC has the active route ATC require the pilot to retain
certain headings, altutude and speeds which are ALL entered via these
'dozen or so switches', watch it and you will see. This isn't coming
from my perspective or MXs but Boeings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ShBOtPiuNM

Ibby

Some of us appear to have a very abbreviated sense of what is "right"
To posit that an airliner's Inertial Navigation System is "kinda like
GPS" is akin to stating that the aileron controls work like a steering
wheel! Neither approximation will get the ship safely to port.

Yours is a dangerous and irresponsible contribution.

The IRS system IS a system that provides positioning data of the
aircraft to the Flight Management Computer but is not as accurate as
modern GPS so my comments stand correctly. They perform the SAME
function but GPS use is more common now.
The 747-400 uses both an IRS and GPS data. NOTAMS will display which
countries are GPS certified. The Pilot must configure the Flight
Management Computer when flying over these countries so that the the
IRS positions aren't updated with an innaccurate GPS position

Ibby

Ibby wrote:


His original statement was there are only a dozen or so switches and
buttons.

No, I believe his original statement related to those buttons which
are required for the pilot to manually control the aircraft and over
ride the active route in the Flight Management Computer and those
buttons are on the Mode Control Panel which is a portion of the panel
above the 'glass cockpit' and below the window. The overhead panel
and many other panels are NOT required during the majority of flight,
they are for pre-flight and engine starts. The majority of the
console between the pilot and his first officer are for radio,
navigation radios, TCAS, transponders, weather tracking controls,
autobrakes, passenger signs etc.

I believe the original discussion was about someone with no clue
finding the correct button to push to do a particular thing amongst
ALL the buttons one would see.


--
Jim Pennino

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Ibby writes:

The IRS system IS a system that provides positioning data of the
aircraft to the Flight Management Computer but is not as accurate as
modern GPS so my comments stand correctly. They perform the SAME
function but GPS use is more common now.

The IRS is more accurate over short distances and times, but the GPS is much
more accurate over long distances and times, whence the utility of using both.

The 747-400 uses both an IRS and GPS data. NOTAMS will display which
countries are GPS certified. The Pilot must configure the Flight
Management Computer when flying over these countries so that the the
IRS positions aren't updated with an innaccurate GPS position

GPS accuracy is not country-dependent, since it is a space-based system. I've
never heard of GPS certification for countries; can you point me to a typical
NOTAM for this?

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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writes:

I'll type this real slow so you have a better chance of understanding
the concepts involved, though you may still have to read it several
times to understand.

The speed at which you type it has no effect on the speed at which I read
it,
since I will see it only after you've entirely finished typing it.

If the accuracy of a manuever by a real pilot in a real airplane
satisfies
the accuracy requirements of the real ATC controller, nothing is said
about
the manuever.

If a pilot doesn't know the accuracy of his maneuver, it doesn't make much
sense for him to boast about it.

Since I received no feedback from the tower on the accuracy of my
manuever,
the final arbiter, judge, referee, umpire, authority, and decider of the
required accuracy was satisfied.

Nothing obligates controllers to say anything when they are dissatisfied
with
a pilot's performance, and indeed, as long as there is no influence on
their
assigned tasks, they tend to remain silent.

Clearly clueless, you have no idea.

I believe the original discussion was about someone with no clue
finding the correct button to push to do a particular thing amongst
ALL the buttons one would see.

--
Jim Pennino

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Yes that is correct Jim but then it very quickly changed because of
everyones attitude towards MX (rightly so at times) stating that his
aquired 'familiarisation' of a certain aircraft through a simulator/
game would have NO bearing on what sat forefore you on the real
flightdeck and this is where I stepped in to partially agreeing with
MX's views (not his methods of response as others here just talk back
in the same manner). I personally have FSX, a default installation is
pretty **** for aircraft systems and flightdecks to put it bluntly.
The default 747 bears virtually NO similarity to what is on a real 747
flightdeck with hardly anything modelled and most switches having NO
effect. Good quality payware aircraft like PMDG 747-400X HAS a
photorealistic 3D Cockpit which you can look around with the right pc
hardware (TrackIR). Every button, every switch, every panel, every
display on the glass cockpit IS the same as the real one. You can
Google for real images till your heart is content or use the official
Boeing sites or the likes of Airliners.net to compare sim to real.
Most ppl on this forum just denounce it bears ZERO resemblence to the
real flightdecks for which they model yet somehow the Trades
Description Act has yet to be brought in and these Vendor's prosecuted
for 'pretending' they bear a similarity.

Ibby

GPS accuracy is not country-dependent, since it is a space-based system. *I've
never heard of GPS certification for countries; can you point me to a typical
NOTAM for this?

I am quoting from Angle of Attacks comprehensive video guide on the
FMC's POS REF page.
They state that the 'GPS NAV (ENABLE) button (Line Select 5 Right)
toggles the GPS position (default is on) 'as some countries do not
meet certain standards for GPS navigation', 'the GPS will then try to
correct an accurate IRS position with an inaccurate GPS position,
knowing what countries this happens in are part of the NOTAMS that a
pilot would get in his pre-flight with dispatch'. I wasn't aware of
this either so it would need looking into if you're curious

"Ibby" wrote in message
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Yes that is correct Jim but then it very quickly changed because of
everyones attitude towards MX (rightly so at times) stating that his
aquired 'familiarisation' of a certain aircraft through a simulator/
game would have NO bearing on what sat forefore you on the real
flightdeck and this is where I stepped in to partially agreeing with
MX's views (not his methods of response as others here just talk back
in the same manner). I personally have FSX, a default installation is
pretty **** for aircraft systems and flightdecks to put it bluntly.
The default 747 bears virtually NO similarity to what is on a real 747
flightdeck with hardly anything modelled and most switches having NO
effect. Good quality payware aircraft like PMDG 747-400X HAS a
photorealistic 3D Cockpit which you can look around with the right pc
hardware (TrackIR). Every button, every switch, every panel, every
display on the glass cockpit IS the same as the real one. You can
Google for real images till your heart is content or use the official
Boeing sites or the likes of Airliners.net to compare sim to real.
Most ppl on this forum just denounce it bears ZERO resemblence to the
real flightdecks for which they model yet somehow the Trades
Description Act has yet to be brought in and these Vendor's prosecuted
for 'pretending' they bear a similarity.


You're even more lame than Mxie

"Ibby" wrote in message
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As the blind leads the blind.

Ibby writes:

I am quoting from Angle of Attacks comprehensive video guide on the
FMC's POS REF page.
They state that the 'GPS NAV (ENABLE) button (Line Select 5 Right)
toggles the GPS position (default is on) 'as some countries do not
meet certain standards for GPS navigation', 'the GPS will then try to
correct an accurate IRS position with an inaccurate GPS position,
knowing what countries this happens in are part of the NOTAMS that a
pilot would get in his pre-flight with dispatch'. I wasn't aware of
this either so it would need looking into if you're curious

I suspect Angle of Attack (which I have for the 767) has got something wrong
or isn't stating something clearly. While it is possible to jam GPS locally,
in the absence of jamming, the accuracy of GPS is the same just about
everywhere, although it declines slightly near the poles (but not over any
specific country).