Could technology bring back the Red Baron dogfight?

From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 1/15/2004 6:34 PM Central Standard Time
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"John R Weiss" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote...

Barking?

Sniffing?

Dambed sailors.

Watch your gun, Ed.

Damned illiterate "engineers."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

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"John R Weiss" wrote in message
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If the aircraft are stealthy, how do they find each other for the
dogfight?

Barking?

Sniffing?


You guys ever heard of a plume-sensor? The EADS anti-stealth missile
has one of those type seekers under development. An aircraft nose
mounted type or pod could do the same thing. Technologically possible.
As for the old guns combat- IDTS. With UCAVs and KVs on the horizon
it's not likely.

Rob

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From: "Dudley Henriques"
Date: 1/15/2004 6:19 PM Central Standard Time
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:22:16 -0800, Hobo wrote:


If stealth makes long distance RF AAMs ineffective, and laser blinding
makes IR AAMs ineffective, wouldn't we back to the gunfights of WW1?

If the aircraft are stealthy, how do they find each other for the
dogfight?

Barking?

Dudley Henriques


Oak! Oak! Oak!!

Sorry, it's the only bark I know.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Don't forget Dogwood!!!! :-))
DH

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"Dudley Henriques" wrote...

If the aircraft are stealthy, how do they find each other for the
dogfight?

Barking?

Sniffing?

Sniffing......mmmmmmm!!!!!

Isn't this is what Tailhook was all about, dogfighters acting like dogs?

How shocking.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:23:18 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:

Isn't this is what Tailhook was all about, dogfighters acting like dogs?

How shocking.


Actually, Tailhook was about Patricia Schroeder of Colorado running
for re-election; about a lot of congress-critters who never served
finding a military scapegoat; about a a couple of women aviators who
sought special privileges; and about a national media feeding frenzy
of innuendo and accusations.

Many careers were ruined, a fine organization was besmirched, and in
the long run, the goal of advancing women in military aviation was set
back years.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

From: Ed Rasimus

Actually, Tailhook was about Patricia Schroeder of Colorado running
for re-election; about a lot of congress-critters who never served
finding a military scapegoat; about a a couple of women aviators who
sought special privileges; and about a national media feeding frenzy
of innuendo and accusations.

Many careers were ruined, a fine organization was besmirched, and in
the long run, the goal of advancing women in military aviation was set
back years.


Ed Rasimus


As I recall the media darling was a woman (Lt (jg)?) who keept repeating "I
am/was an admiral's aide" as if it made a difference. Any time CNN needed to
have a "victim" on they chose her.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Yew mean yew don't know how to find other airplanes? The F102, being a
male airplane (ever see the 'barrier probe'? Not what we called it!)
could find the other jets because of their heat . .
Walt BJ

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Yew mean yew don't know how to find other airplanes? The F102, being a
male airplane (ever see the 'barrier probe'? Not what we called it!)
could find the other jets because of their heat . .
Walt BJ

I'm getting all excited with all this talk. I'm thinking of taking a Viagra;
but my wife says all that will do is keep me from rolling out of bed!!
D

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"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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Yew mean yew don't know how to find other airplanes? The F102, being a
male airplane (ever see the 'barrier probe'? Not what we called it!)
could find the other jets because of their heat . .
Walt BJ

I'm getting all excited with all this talk. I'm thinking of taking a
Viagra;
but my wife says all that will do is keep me from rolling out of bed!!
D


ROFL! It deserves to be #1 in a Letterman's Top Ten list about the
unforeseen uses of Viagra.

Regards,
Arva

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:58:28 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
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"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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Yew mean yew don't know how to find other airplanes? The F102, being a
male airplane (ever see the 'barrier probe'? Not what we called it!)
could find the other jets because of their heat . .
Walt BJ

I'm getting all excited with all this talk. I'm thinking of taking a Viagra;
but my wife says all that will do is keep me from rolling out of bed!!

If by chance you did roll out of bed you could end up with a BENT
SPEAR incident..