Israel murders disabled people... whats next i wonder IDF-Apachefiring missiles on 67yr old civilian in wheelchair- at Sabra mosque inGaza...

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:20:16 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

In article .net,
"LawsonE" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Practical warmaking says that killing the leaders of an organization
that wants to kill you is a smart move, since it makes them less
effective and puts the enemy in the position of trying to fight you
while being run by the less-talented second-raters.

In the short run, that may be true, but it gets kinda old after the first
few generations.

Well, a 30% to 50% drop in terror ops and deaths on both sides in one
*year* seems like a lot better trend than letting the real bad guys keep
on living and talking the young idiots into doing stupid things.

The medium-dumb ones already got the message. They're sending in 10 and
16 year old boys with bombs strapped to them now. With a corresponding
lack of success (the kids aren't happy with it and don't really
cooperate). *MAJOR* PR failure among their own people.

Unless you're claiming that ONLY the current generation of Palestinians are
going to demand reprisals.

Like this has only been going on for a year? The people who are calling
for "reprisals" are the guys who, whenever there's a chance for peace,
send out the bomb-toting morons. Kill off the bosses, and you get less
terrorism.

We're in something like the fourth generation of idiots in Gaza... and
when you kill off the mean smart ones who have been running things, the
nice smart ones get a chance to come to the top over the mean dumb ones.

And about the fourth generation of religious fanatics in Israel. Fanatic vs
fanatic is a lose-lose proposition.

Al minyard

In article ,
on Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:15:09 GMT,
Jarg attempted to say .....

wrote in message
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In us.military.army Chad Irby wrote:

There were
definitely problems, due to Saddam's heavy hand, but women were able to
walk
the streets without fear of rape,

Aren't you overlooking Uday Husseins well documented love of rape? But
otherwise I'm sure it was a lovely place to live.


But he never committed his rapes on the street.....

So the Sadam appologists give him a pass.


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

"Tank Fixer" wrote in message
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In article ,
on Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:15:09 GMT,
Jarg attempted to say .....

wrote in message
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In us.military.army Chad Irby wrote:

There were
definitely problems, due to Saddam's heavy hand, but women were able
to
walk
the streets without fear of rape,

Aren't you overlooking Uday Husseins well documented love of rape? But
otherwise I'm sure it was a lovely place to live.


But he never committed his rapes on the street.....

So the Sadam appologists give him a pass.


Actually, its a matter of numbers. How many rapes did Uday commit? How many
are being commited now? Likewise with daily murders, etc.

You guys like to tout the mass graves and so on, but the reality is that
most of that stuff happened years ago. The biggest single killer in Iraq has
been for several years the result of the UN sanctions. True, Saddam could
have played better with us and the sanctions wouldn't have been needed, but
it will be several years before things improve to the point that the Iraqis
are significantly better off materially than they were before the invasion.
And, in the meantime, we have the potential for even worse things happening
in Iraq than anything that Saddam and his kids ever managed to do.

"LawsonE" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Tank Fixer" wrote in message
k.net...
In article ,
on Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:15:09 GMT,
Jarg attempted to say .....

wrote in message
news:dh88c.2205$wg1.816@edtnps84...
In us.military.army Chad Irby wrote:

There were
definitely problems, due to Saddam's heavy hand, but women were able
to
walk
the streets without fear of rape,

Aren't you overlooking Uday Husseins well documented love of rape?
But
otherwise I'm sure it was a lovely place to live.


But he never committed his rapes on the street.....

So the Sadam appologists give him a pass.


Actually, its a matter of numbers. How many rapes did Uday commit? How
many
are being commited now? Likewise with daily murders, etc.

Apologia...


You guys like to tout the mass graves and so on, but the reality is that
most of that stuff happened years ago. The biggest single killer in Iraq
has
been for several years the result of the UN sanctions. True, Saddam could
have played better with us and the sanctions wouldn't have been needed,
but
it will be several years before things improve to the point that the
Iraqis
are significantly better off materially than they were before the
invasion.

That is not what the Iraqis themselves believe, according to the recent poll
results (from an organization that was none to much in favor of the
operation, either).

And, in the meantime, we have the potential for even worse things
happening
in Iraq than anything that Saddam and his kids ever managed to do.

Sounds like apologia for Saddam...resulting in a well-deserved *plonk*.

Brooks

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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"LawsonE" wrote in message
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"Tank Fixer" wrote in message
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In article ,
on Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:15:09 GMT,
Jarg attempted to say .....

wrote in message
news:dh88c.2205$wg1.816@edtnps84...
In us.military.army Chad Irby wrote:

There were
definitely problems, due to Saddam's heavy hand, but women were
able
to
walk
the streets without fear of rape,

Aren't you overlooking Uday Husseins well documented love of rape?
But
otherwise I'm sure it was a lovely place to live.


But he never committed his rapes on the street.....

So the Sadam appologists give him a pass.


Actually, its a matter of numbers. How many rapes did Uday commit? How
many
are being commited now? Likewise with daily murders, etc.

Apologia...


I'm defending Sadam/Usay by pointing out that things could be worse than
they were?


You guys like to tout the mass graves and so on, but the reality is that
most of that stuff happened years ago. The biggest single killer in Iraq
has
been for several years the result of the UN sanctions. True, Saddam
could
have played better with us and the sanctions wouldn't have been needed,
but
it will be several years before things improve to the point that the
Iraqis
are significantly better off materially than they were before the
invasion.

That is not what the Iraqis themselves believe, according to the recent
poll
results (from an organization that was none to much in favor of the
operation, either).

And on any given day, Bush is guaranteed to win, or Kerry is guaranteed to
win, according to polls taken in this country. Polls don't mean much.


And, in the meantime, we have the potential for even worse things
happening
in Iraq than anything that Saddam and his kids ever managed to do.

Sounds like apologia for Saddam...resulting in a well-deserved *plonk*.


Defense of Saddam and family?

Ok, sure, whatever.

bah Waves hand.

"LawsonE" wrote in
nk.net:


"Tank Fixer" wrote in message
k.net...
In article ,
on Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:15:09 GMT,
Jarg attempted to say .....

wrote in message
news:dh88c.2205$wg1.816@edtnps84...
In us.military.army Chad Irby wrote:

There were
definitely problems, due to Saddam's heavy hand, but women were
able
to
walk
the streets without fear of rape,

Aren't you overlooking Uday Husseins well documented love of rape?
But otherwise I'm sure it was a lovely place to live.


But he never committed his rapes on the street.....

So the Sadam appologists give him a pass.


Actually, its a matter of numbers. How many rapes did Uday commit? How
many are being commited now? Likewise with daily murders, etc.

You guys like to tout the mass graves and so on, but the reality is
that most of that stuff happened years ago. The biggest single killer
in Iraq has been for several years the result of the UN sanctions.

Ha! Saddam put his monies into palace construction,siphoned off "oil-for-
food" money to give bribes to other countries for UN support,and ratholed
millions of US dollars;he did *nothing* for "his people's" welfare.
In fact,he seems to have made it worse for them.

And you blame it on UN sanctions.

True, Saddam could have played better with us and the sanctions
wouldn't have been needed, but it will be several years before things
improve to the point that the Iraqis are significantly better off
materially than they were before the invasion.

Gee,that's not what the Iraqis themselves have been saying,according to
news reports.

And, in the meantime,
we have the potential for even worse things happening in Iraq than
anything that Saddam and his kids ever managed to do.

Yes,the potential for Al-queda to take over and bring forth another
"Taliban" government.And to use Iraq as a base for more terrorism.



--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

In article et,
"LawsonE" wrote:

You guys like to tout the mass graves and so on, but the reality is that
most of that stuff happened years ago.

Yeah, and it stopped about a year back.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

"Kevin Brooks" wrote:

Sounds like apologia for Saddam...resulting in a well-deserved *plonk*.

Brooks

What a penis of a man you are, Brooks. A four inch penis.

Grantland

So what? I f a guy in a wheelchair orders a bomb planted, isn't he as guilty
if he did it himself while doing the 100 meter dash?

I mean if a guy in a wheelchair could use his arms, and wheeled himself in a
crowded room, pulled out a submachine gun and hosed some people, isn't he
still a killer?

Tank Fixer wrote:
In article ,
on Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:15:09 GMT,
Jarg attempted to
say .....


wrote in message
news:dh88c.2205$wg1.816@edtnps84...
In us.military.army Chad Irby
wrote:

There were
definitely problems, due to Saddam's heavy
hand, but women were able to
walk
the streets without fear of rape,

Aren't you overlooking Uday Husseins well
documented love of rape? But
otherwise I'm sure it was a lovely place to
live.


But he never committed his rapes on the street.....

So the Sadam appologists give him a pass.


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one
sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken
for an unbiased slant.
Seems with the one-year anniversary of OIF the Saddam apologists have come
out of the woodwork. I'd send them over to have a look at the torture chambers,
mass graves, and listen to those who survived the prisons and torture rooms
and talk to those who lost loved ones to the Baathists; and then find out
if they still want to apologize for the Saddam regime. Several of the trolls
on this NG would certainly qualify.

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