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![]() "- DefaultUser" wrote: "Matt Wiser" wrote in message news:4093c17f$1@bg2.... Steve Hix wrote: In article , "Simon Robbins" wrote: "Bystander" wrote in message ... At least America is dealing with it, and has admitted it. Many countries that use torture would never dream of allowing these reports. It's been reported in the UK that the Pentagon's spent the last two weeks trying to prevent the public disclosure of these photos by the American media, and apparently succeeded considering they're only showing them now since they leaked out from elsewhere. Did you fail to note that, in addition, they've been investigating the issue with the goal of punishing the guilty? That is something the loony left doesn't understand. Most militaries would never bother investigating the allegations; the U.S. and Britain do, and when facts justify, prosecute in the Military Justice System those accused. Let the JAG and CID folks do their jobs, and see if anyone is reccommended for a Court-Martial. Like they did when those U.S. Flyboys ignored orders and murdered Canadian troops in Afghanistan? The flight leader I believe is still in the legal system: He was offered a deal but didn't take it. Posted via www.My-Newsgroups.com - web to news gateway for usenet access! |
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On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:08:39 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote: "Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message . com... "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:3_Bkc.1303$_41.52280@attbi_s02... Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for doing crap like this. Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or support such actions, and punishes the people involved. It's not not good. In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured. Not by accepted definitions of torture. How Republican of you to point that out. Lets see you stand in the same 1 foot circle for 48 hours. Lets see you not be allowed to sleep for 4 days. It's attitudes like yours that CAUSE terrorist attacks. Hopefully you'll be in the next building or on the next bridge that gets blown up. Say hi to Satan for me on your way. |
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On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:08:39 GMT, "Morton Davis"
wrote: "Fred the Red Shirt" In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured. Not by accepted definitions of torture. Physical torture doesn't give reliable information anyway. People will tell you anything to stop the pain. However, psychological techniques do work very well, though slower. First, cut people away from their support system and deprive them of sleep. Always keep them off balance and insecure about their status, where they are and evn about time. In the case of "Shame-based" cultures, make people do "forbidden things" to cut down their psychological defenses. Sound familiar ? -- remember, Japanese soldiers in WW2 who were captured even involuntarily tended to be very cooperative. Give captives an aggressor to identify with. Maybe a little "good cop", bad cop" thrown in. Eventually, they will be putty.... Before you throw up your hands in horror, what if you reasonably believe that you can save many lives by this process, which does no physical harm? PHP |
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![]() "Pooched" wrote in message ... On 2 May 2004 11:54:33 -0700, (Fred the Red Shirt) wrote: "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52... "Pooched" wrote in message ... On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot" wrote: Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or support such actions, and punishes the people involved. Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim recently went through this. I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you? Jesus Christ! Do you ever read a newspaper? SHHHH! You'll ruin Dubya's chances of getting reelected if you force his priests to see the world as it really is! Reality escapes you. -*MORT*- |
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In talk.politics.guns "Yardpilot" wrote:
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message . com... "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52... "Pooched" wrote in message ... On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot" wrote: Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or support such actions, and punishes the people involved. Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim recently went through this. I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you? Jesus Christ! Invoking mythical invisible friends won't help you. What makes you think He was mythical? Was Pontius Pilate mythical? |
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![]() "Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message om... "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52... "Pooched" wrote in message ... On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot" wrote: Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or support such actions, and punishes the people involved. Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim recently went through this. I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you? Jesus Christ! Invoking mythical invisible friends won't help you. Do you ever read a newspaper? Yes. That has nothing whatever to do with this, tinman. The claim was unsupported. |
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![]() "Pooched" wrote in message ... On 2 May 2004 11:54:33 -0700, (Fred the Red Shirt) wrote: "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52... "Pooched" wrote in message ... On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot" wrote: Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or support such actions, and punishes the people involved. Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim recently went through this. I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you? Jesus Christ! Do you ever read a newspaper? SHHHH! You'll ruin Dubya's chances of getting reelected if you force his priests to see the world as it really is! So, you can't support your claim. No surprise there. |
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![]() "Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message om... "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:3_Bkc.1303$_41.52280@attbi_s02... Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for doing crap like this. Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or support such actions, and punishes the people involved. It's not not good. In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured. Do feel free to support your claim. That's rotten leadership from the top down. Two POWs in Afghanistan were beaten to death while in US custody. The deaths were officially ruled to be homicides. That was two years ago and the DOD remains silent on the 'investigation'. There were reports of two other incidents in Afghanistan in which Civilian Prisoners were beaten by US troops, again, no word from the Pentagon. Do feel free to support your claim. The difference between those incidents and the instant case is photographs. If the photographs of My Lai hadn't been published do you really think Calley would ever have been prosecuted? Yes. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of our troops in the field are good men and women and would not take part in such crimes. Yup. Their leaders have let them down by condoning and encouraging incidents such as these. Nope. Those responsible will be dealt with. BTW, are you aware of who it was that set the wheels in motion on this matter? |
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![]() "Pooched" wrote in message ... On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:08:39 GMT, "Morton Davis" wrote: "Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message . com... "Yardpilot" wrote in message news:3_Bkc.1303$_41.52280@attbi_s02... Compare this to some "regimes" that would give the perps medals for doing crap like this. Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or support such actions, and punishes the people involved. It's not not good. In News Conferences spokesmen for the DOD admitted that prisoners at Guatanomo Bay were being subjected to sleep deprivation and forced into 'uncompfortable positions' for long periods of time. In the same statements the same spokemen denied they were being tortured. Not by accepted definitions of torture. How Republican of you to point that out. Lets see you stand in the same 1 foot circle for 48 hours. Lets see you not be allowed to sleep for 4 days. Let's see you support your claim, for a change. |
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