Superior HK XM8 Kicks M4's Ass

B2431 wrote:
Have you ever fired 45-100 or equivalent? If so what was the performance?

Shot a .45-120, it was very accurate. Not especially earth-shaking to
shoot, recoil-wise. This was a Pedersoli repro Sharps, just after Quigley
came out.

A lot of fun!


Jeff

"Paul J. Adam" wrote:


No, it didn't (Nipolit was a moderately interesting idea, but has
virtually nothing to do with the G11's design: the key breakthrough was
raising the cook-off temperature sufficiently)

We had great success with celluloid here in SA. Must've been doctored for cook-offs. All
under the bridge now of course. Ten more years.

G

Scott Ferrin wrote in message . ..
On 5 Jul 2004 02:16:43 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military...bines/xm8.html

Check out the head-to-head comparison. HK rules!

Rob


Wow. The latest HK assault rifle is superior to a forty-year-old
American design. Something to brag about indeed. Loser.

HK also released a new upper for the M4 that uses the same gas-piston
system that eliminates the one true operating deficiency of the
standard M4 design...doesn't blow gases directly into the receiver.
But other than that, it's basically a very high-quality M4 upper that
the DOD *should* be buying in massive quantities instead of hoping the
new Plastic Fantastic can survive widespread troop abuse.

In article ,
says...


From: Tank Fixer
Date: 7/7/2004 3:52 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: t

In article ,
on Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:33:17 +0100,
Paul J. Adam attempted to say .....

In message , tw
writes
I've always wondered, what are the differences between the M1, the M1
Garand
and the M14?

M1 rifle was named the Garand: chambered for .30-06 and feeding from an
eight-shot charger.

M14 was very similar, but was chambered in 7.62mm NATO, used a
twenty-round box magazine, and in some versions had a full-auto
capability (little used and often deleted)

Is it just cosmetic stuff like magazine capacity, barrel length
and shape of the stock etc, or is there a big difference in the action?

/*obligatory nationalist point scoring to be taken with pinch of salt*/
Of course, the SLR kicked both their arses, and the Lee-Enfield was
better
still! ;-)

Now, for lethality you want a Martini-Henry

Trapdoor Springfield in 45-100 !



The 45 indicate caliber and the second nimber indicates grains of black
powder
as originally loaded. I found 45-70 to be more than enough at close range and
noticed no real improvement at 45-80. The smokeless equivalent has just as
powerful but didn't have as much character as black powder. I never tried
Pyrodex.

Have you ever fired 45-100 or equivalent? If so what was the performance?

45-90 and 45-110. At ranges less than 200 meters there's really no
appreciable difference other than greater percieved recoil (I was firing BP).
At ranges greater than 500 meters you can begin to take advantage of the
slightly higher velocity and at 1000 meters and more you get less wind effect
on the bullet. In all cases there's less bullet drop (of course) and greater
effect on the targets as a function of the greater velocity. But it's not all
that much more velocity and not all that much of an improvement. I suppose
that's one reason those larger (longer) cartridges didn't catch on.

Joel

From: (robert arndt)
Date: 7/8/2004 4:13 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Tank Fixer wrote in message
ink.net...
In article ,
on 5 Jul 2004 02:16:43 -0700,
robert arndt attempted to say .....

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military...bines/xm8.html

Check out the head-to-head comparison. HK rules!


from the manufacuers web site ???


hahahahahahaahhaa


No need actually since most HK small arms EXCEED all US Federal and
Military standards, Jackass.

Rob

You STILL haven't provided an independant cite. Do you have one?

If you have that much faith in company brochures how much money have you
invested in the Moler Skycar?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: (robert arndt)


Stick to a/c Dan.

Take your own advice. This is a military aviation NG not infantry weapons.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

(robert arndt) wrote:

No need actually since most HK small arms EXCEED all US Federal and
Military standards, Jackass.

For the moment. The US isn't interested in anymore .22s We will be moving on to
something like .270 Berger or similar round. It looks like they are zeroing in
on the .270 for a number of ballistic and knock down power reasons.

-- Charlie Springer

(robert arndt) wrote in message . com...
Nepolit was an explosive used in experimental shelless grenades. I don't know
if it was ever fielded. While I have no proof one way or the other I seriously
doubt it was tried in caseless small arms ammunition. In any event the
technology flopped.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Stick to a/c Dan. Nipolit was invented by WASAG and experimented with
in a wide range of applications such as: shaped explosives, caseless
grenades, disc grenades (85mm diameter, 13mm thick with egg type
detonator inserted in core), anti-tank charges, and caseless
ammunition in the end. Original Nipolit grandes were used in combat
and examples are still found in museums today.
Dynamit-Nobel picked up where WASAG left off...

If you want military book references there are plenty around.

Rob


nipolit was also to be used in the next generation Panzerfaust
warheads of world war 2 (Panzerfaust 250 was essentialy an RPG7). It
was merely necessary to automatically machine the entire warhead
without any metal. Apart from maufacturing simplicity it would
overcome Germany's metals shortage. Although tested the factories
were never built. Interestingly the most powerfull unguided
shoulderlauched anti-tank weapon today is the current German
Panzerfaust-3 whose 'tube' is made of fiberglass, thus the possibility
of an weapon with zero metals content is raised. (With a future self
forging warhead the Panzerfaust-3 might even get past frontal modern
composit MBT armour )

There was a great deal of work in the use of composit
plastics/aluminium cartridges to overcome metal shortages as well by
the Germans during the WWII and presumably neopolit would have been
considered for cartridgeless ammunition as well. Its advantages in
aerial canon where space, weight and rate of fire are critical should
be apparent.

The G11 rifles ammunition is amazing. Not only is amunition
cartridgeless (the round is embeded in the plastics propellant without
a casing in effect the propellant IS the casing) but the propellant is
actually square thus allowing very compact amuntion storage.

The G11 equiped soldier can carry 2.5 times as much amunition for the
same weight as an M4. A 16lb including rifle gives nearly 600 rounds
with a super high velocity.

Stick to a/c Dan. Nipolit was invented by WASAG and experimented with
in a wide range of applications such as: shaped explosives, caseless
grenades, disc grenades (85mm diameter, 13mm thick with egg type
detonator inserted in core), anti-tank charges, and caseless

Our friends from US standardized minds production lines wont easily understand
how much Germans were advanced and are advanced.
Lets help them,60s "American" anti-tank marvel TOW is a direct copy of
Rotkaepchen of 1944 and Hellfire of Peipenkopf of 1945.
But they are only peanuts when compared to what US got from Kammler and U-234.

The name of Arizonian David Hudson is only a cover to hide the origins of zero
point energy.(Similar to the invention of term UFO to hide their earthly
origins).
In 1945 German technology 100 years ahead of US technology and thanks to stolen
German technology Anglo controlled US were able to stay as major power.
But 100 year period slowly but surely coming to the end.
All what we now experience is a prelude to the "clash of civilizations'.but
this clash wont be between religions or like that as the Anglo warrior
Huntington wants to make it happen,but between the civilization that were able
to produce a technology a century ahead of their time and the civilization that
stole it.

On 8 Jul 2004 09:21:53 -0700, (Typhoon502) wrote:

HK also released a new upper for the M4 that uses the same gas-piston
system that eliminates the one true operating deficiency of the
standard M4 design...doesn't blow gases directly into the receiver.
But other than that, it's basically a very high-quality M4 upper that
the DOD *should* be buying in massive quantities instead of hoping the
new Plastic Fantastic can survive widespread troop abuse.

And, for those of you who already have an upper but want a gas
piston, Kurt's Kustom Firearms has made a gas piston retrofit kit
called the M9 Evo (or something like that). Very cool.


Eric Pinnell

(Author, "Steel Rain", "Claws of The Dragon", "The Omega File")

For a preview, see: http://www.ericpinnell.com/books/previews.shtml