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Old September 30th 20, 01:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Michael Opitz
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Default Grob Twin Astir getting

At 04:35 30 September 2020, RW wrote:
On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 11:30:06 AM UTC-4, Michael

Opitz wrote:
At 14:12 28 September 2020, Kenn Sebesta wrote:
@Steve, that's a great description, I'll go try it with the other
direction. My natural slip tendency is to bank left because I'm

right
handed-- it's easier and more accurate for me to push left than

pull right.

It happens in lots of gliders, particularly older generation

trainers, at
least learning in Australia it was part of sideslip approach

training.
Puchatek's are great for it.

It's also in the flight manual (see page 27)

The side-slip is quite controllable and, if needed,
this manoeuvre can be used for steeper approaches.
It is effective by using a 15 degrees angle of sideslip and

should
be
finished of a safe hight (98 km/h;
54 kts; 61 mph). Rudder effect reversal have not
been observed.
17 th march 1982
FLIGHT MANUAL GROB G 103 27
The temporary control force to overcome the
force reversal or rudder lock is calculated
approximately 5 to 6 daN (rudder pressure).
The aileron does not change its force direction, rather it

returns
independently from the
full deflected position.
Rudder lock can be relieved without pilot input on the

rudder.
After
moving the aileron
into neutral position, the Sailplane rolls out
of the Slip into wing level position. Thereafter the rudder

frees
itself
from the full
deflected position and the force reversal is
relieved. Using this method to end the Slip
the Sailplane does not adopt unusual flight
attitudes and deviates only slightly from its original flight

course.

That's an excellent reference. It certainly describes what I see,

but
it's
not in our POH
(http://www.franconiasoaring.org/pdf-


files/Flight%20Manual%20Grob%20103%20Astir%20FH%20Rev%2
09.pdf).
I wonder why not?

You have a Twin Astir (I) first generation. The above quote is
probably from a Twin II manual. Twin I's have a center hinged
rudder with no factory seals. IIRC, Twin II's have a side hinged
rudder with a tape seal on the hinge side.

The rudder on the Twin I can be made noticeably more effective

by
adding seals with Z tape running just in front of the rudder gap

IAW
LTB Lindner (Grob certificate holder) Service Letter SL-12.

http://www.ltb-lindner.com/service-letter.html

Putting seals and Z tape on a Twin Astir rudder costs little in

time
or materials and yields much better rudder efficacy. I assume

that
your glider does not yet have this mod, so get it done ASAP. You
won't be sorry, and you won't be complaining about a small and
ineffective rudder anymore.

RO

Michael, how we can make seat in the back more comfortable ?
There is pure torture in the back seat of our ACA Twin Astir now .
Thx
Ryszard


Ryszard,

I am 6'2" tall, so I can't use too many cushions, but a thin yoga
mat underneath, and one of those memory foam lumbar back
support pillows works for me. You can also try an inflatable lumbar
pillow to try and get just the right amount of support for yourself. I
don't have any problems with 3-4 hour flights in the back seat.
We do have one club member (who is somewhat shorter than I)
who has made a custom foam cushion system for himself by carving
the foam with one of those electric kitchen carving knives.

Incidentally, the Twin I Trainer version with the sprung fixed gear
also has the same rear seat configuration. One has to go to a
Twin II with the 3 wheel configuration to get rid of the Twin I gear
well issue (due to C/G and main wheel locations).

I also find that some yoga mat material on the armrest keeps my
elbow from getting sore.

Hope this helps...

RO

 




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