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Big John wrote:
NDB approach is a non precision approach. Takes less Partial Panel proficiency. I'm quite aware of what is and isn't a precision approach. What I don't understand is why you feel it's easier to fly an NDB approach than an ILS approach partial-panel. It seems to me that the NDB approach most strongly requires accurate heading information. The course to be flown can not be determined from the position of the ADF needle alone, it can only be determined by comparing the ADF bearing to heading. If your only source of heading info is a compass dancing wildly as you bounce around, this gets "too interesting" On an ILS or GPS approach, OTOH, it seems to me that the course to be flown can be determined from the CDI position alone. Needle left, turn left etc. You can flop around on a NDB approach with it's higher minimums easier on partial panel than you can on a precision ILS. I don't understand this at all. Yes, the ILS becomes increasingly sensitive as one descends closer to DH. But, if the wx is such that the 800 ft minimums (or 600, or whatever they are) on an NDB approach will get one in, one need not fly the ILS minimums but can "flop around" on the less sensitive portion. OTOH, if the wx is really crappy, all the flopping around on an NDB you might care to do won't help you. On instruments, it is hard enough with full panel to fly precision IFR especially if the ILS beams have splits in them and the needles bounce from stop to stop at minimums. We used to practice at Scramento and never felt comfortable making the ILS approach there due to erratic needle movements on final. I've never experienced anything like this. Is this a Cat II or III ILS? Does that explain my feelings enough? Not really I'm afraid. I must say the view that partial panel NDB approachs are the most difficult seems to be held by many of the local DEs, who will require a partial-panel NDB if there is an ADF installed in the plane. It's been so many years since I made a real partial panel approach. It was a Radio Range (A/N) approach as I recall. Hit cone of silence, turned to heading to field, let down to minimum altitude and flew the time (minutes and seconds) to field. All the pilots wore those fancy chronometers to time from cone of silence to field for instrument approaches in those days ![]() Whew...is this the sort of approach being described in "Fate is the Hunter"? How would you handle adjusting groundspeed vs. time? Would you guesstimate your groundspeed from time between waypoints before initiating descent, would someone on the ground give you winds from which you'd calculate groundspeed? Would you adjust power to always fly the same groundspeed, or adjust time? Sorry for all the naive questions, but pilots who actually flew radio range approaches are few and far between. These days, if I time an approach where I could use DME to define the MAP my instructor beats me with a board "timing is the least accurate way to determine the MAP! Never depend upon time if there's another way!" And he's not a young whippersnapper either. Appreciate your comment re practice instrument approaches. Cheers, Sydney |
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