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Basic rules for Class C is paragraph 3-2-4 of the AIM:
1. When controller responds WITH your tail number that is clearance to enter the class C airspace.. 2. Exception to this rule is if the controller says, "Remain outside the class Charlie airspace and standby." he is expected/required to use that exact phrase Now, the rule not printed that I can see is the exact phrase for cancelling the remain clear instruction... So, per the Class C rules when the controller called you back the second time by 'tail number', and said, "radar contact established", etc., that was again establishing radio contact (per rule #1) and absent instructions to the contrary you are now cleared to enter the class C, and if he doesn't like your new heading, he will say so... Therefore, you were cleared and did not bust any rules... I would have preferred that he said, cleared to enter my airspace, or the class c, etc., somewhere in his patter - obviously he understands rule #1 and expects you to also understand it... denny "Arden Prinz" wrote in message om... Recently I was departing a small airport (with no control tower) which was underneath the class C shelf area of a somewhat larger airport (which is an air force base). Immediately before departing, I called the approach controller for the class C airspace and told him that I was departing and would like flight following. I was actually hoping to fly straight over the larger airport (they weren't busy due to the time). The approach controller assigned me a transponder code and told me "after departure remain clear of the class C airspace". So after I took of, I started flying a route taking me around the class C area that extended to the surface. Well, the controller then called me by my tail number and asked some questions (I don't remember exactly what -- it might have been my expected cruising altitude and aircraft type, I think he may have also said radar contact, although I can't remember the specifics right now). As soon as this happened, I turned and headed directly toward my destination, taking me across the class C to the surface airspace. A fellow pilot was with me, and he later mentioned that thought I might have violated the controller's instructions. Hmmmm... That brings up a question --- when does the "remain clear of class C airspace" instruction end? I figured that since he called my by tail number and was clearly communicating with me and didn't assign any vectors or repeat his direction to remain clear, that it was now understood that I could enter. The controller didn't give any indication that I had done anything wrong, but I want to be sure that I understand this for the future. So ... if I'm told to remain clear in the future, WHEN does that end? Thank-you. |
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