A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Piloting
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Can GPS be *too* accurate? Do I need some XTE??



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #11  
Old November 18th 04, 06:11 PM
Bill Denton
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

My comments in text:



"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Bill Denton ) wrote:

I had a minute so I looked this up; you misread the AIM.


You and I have been through this before. The AIM is not regulatory and
perhaps you might want to re-read that passage. It appears to me that
you have misinterpreted it.


Regulatory/no-regulatory is immaterial. This portion of the AIM simply
states what services will be offered to pilots by ATC.




Let's break this down:

b. Separation will be provided (by ATC - my note) between all aircraft
operating on IFR flight plans except during that part of the flight

(outside
of Class B airspace or a TRSA) being conducted on a VFR-on-top/VFR
conditions clearance.


Please show me where in that passage above does it say anything about
IFR aircraft being separated from VFR aircraft. Note the operative
word "between" being used there. I interpret the passage to be
discussing IFR aircraft being separated from IFR aircraft.


The separation of VFR/IFR aircraft is not covered in this section; the
separation of ALL aircraft is discussed in the previous section.

The purpose of this section is to remind VFR-on-top-pilots that while they
are on an IFR flight plan, ATC has allowed them to deviate and fly under VFR
rules (including see and avoid) and that ATC is not obligated to provide
traffic guidance.



To paraphrase and clarify: If you are "outside of Class B airspace or a
TRSA" and flying on a "VFR-on-top/VFR conditions clearance", "ATC may

issue
traffic advisories, but it is the sole responsibility of the pilot to be
vigilant so as to see and avoid other aircraft". Otherwise, "Separation

will
be provided (by ATC - my note) between all aircraft operating on IFR

flight
plans".


There, you stated it, too. "BETWEEN all aircraft operating on IFR
flight plans." Where does it say anything about ATC's responsibility
about separation between those aircraft on IFR flight plans and those on
VFR flight plans? Not in that passage it doesn't.


As I stated above, VFR-on-top operations are conducted on IFR flight plans
and the purpose of this section is to explain the services to be provided or
not provided by ATC to VFR-on-top pilots.






--
Peter







 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Can GPS be *too* accurate? Do I need some XTE?? Icebound Instrument Flight Rules 82 November 22nd 04 08:01 PM
General Zinni on Sixty Minutes WalterM140 Military Aviation 428 July 1st 04 11:16 PM
How accurate was B-26 bombing? ArtKramr Military Aviation 59 March 3rd 04 10:10 PM
Local TV News ran an accurate story about airframe icing last night Peter R. Piloting 5 January 29th 04 01:01 AM
VOR and reverse sensing Koopas Ly Piloting 40 August 25th 03 01:26 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2025 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.