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Bruce Hoult wrote:
Well, the good news is that 32:1 gliders are cheap and plentiful. Better equipment means one can fly further on more days with less experience. Most people who say things like this seem to think you need considerably *more* than Ka6/PW5 performance to go cross country. Are you saying that it is in fact enough? (I think it is) -- Bruce At Avenal, 32:1 is enough a lot of the time. And on the days when 32:1 isn't enough, 50:1 usually isn't enough either. Okay. How about some terms? What is cross-country? I'd say any flight where some part of the flight is beyond final glide back to the departure airport is a cross-country. A bit ambiguous, but hey, I'm going with it. ANSWER: ------- "Seldom" an SGS 2-33 is enough. "Much more often" a DG-1000 is enough. Given the same pilot experience: With a tailwind, frequent markers, high thermals (AGL), benign terrain, and a short distance (in that order of importance) I think a 2-33 is fine. Heck, even some lower thermals are fine if they are frequent enough (the southeast US states seem to have this quite a bit). This seems to be a recipe for 1-26 cross-countries that I've read about. Into a headwind, no markers, low thermals, unlandable terrain, and a long way to go make a DG-1000 look much more attractive. Somewhere in between, the Blanik L-13 and the Grob-103 are going to be ok. 1. Tailwind/headwind has a HUGE effect on glide if you have a curvy polar. 2. Markers are the difference between a no-brainer "connect-the-dots" flight and searching the ground for sources. 3. Thermal height determines if you are going to be able to make it to the next thermal, or land out. 4. Benign terrain gives you more time to look for lift instead of worrying about landing out. 5. Distance = pilot fatigue. A 300km in a 40:1 sailplane seems to take twice the time 20:1 will take, from what I've read of pilots who've tried both. Good L/D, flatness of the polar, and ease of trailering really help increase the number of soarable days (given the same experience level). From my point of view, I started soaring in the winter. Lift was just weak as could be for my first 5 days/sessions. Then there was a fantastic day with two huge cumulus clouds and my two friends went back and forth between them in a 2-33 and 1-26 while I did 3 hours of ground training for my license! But I had my eye on the PW-5, and the insurance required a PPL-glider to fly it. So I got a license, and got in. Boy what a difference! I could really explore the area, and even though the L-13 was pretty good, I was terrified of landing out in the huge metal thing with nuts and bolts to disassemble (yikes!). The PW-5 was something two small/weak people could lift over a fence (pieces anyway)! That glider really eliminated a lot of hard "cost based" decisions for me. If it had been a $50,000 glider I never WOULD have gone into some of those valleys, and if it was a $6,000 glider, I never COULD have gone there (well, on that day anyway). And the PW-5 was different from the 1-26, because the stick controlled the airspeed, not JUST the vario ![]() As it was I got 30-40 flights for about $350 for my share for the syndicate for the year (about $10 a flight in rent). And I got a lot further, with less fatigue, with less training, on marginal days, than in a 1-26. So there are a LOT of gliders that are between $10,000-$20,000 that are 30:1 to 40:1 in glide, and are pretty easy to disassemble. Beyond that, there are some with flaps and ballast and retract, but the added cost of insurance, maintenance, and training haven't yet met my price point. Do I think a 30:1 ship is enough for me for X-C? Usually. Could I do an X-C in a 20:1 ship? Well, a downwind dash with markers and high thermals close together, 30NM to Lost Hills, sure. But who wants to wait around for those conditions? ![]() |
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